Hellcat Production - Lessons Learned

[Grimace427]

The Boss was always intended to be a 2-year only production like the original. Actual number targets I don't know.

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[chopsui]

WTH guys. Ford has been open about saying the production numbers for the GT350 will be between the GT500 and Boss302. They've openly said that the R model numbers will mirror the Boss LS. No inside information is necessary. The GT350 program that every dealer signed up for indicates a 2 year model run. (2016-2017, the 2015's are a special after the fact case). Anything beyond that would presumably require a new sign-up or modification to the existing program and hasn't publicly been discussed so I don't know where some of you guys get off saying that production will continue for more than 2 years.

This info is easy to find, go back to the announcement thread, read the various interviews with Jamal Hameedi, etc. Watch the video of the presentation that was given a few months ago at TWS. Seriously, what are we arguing about here?

If you have information that contradicts this, then post your source and acknowledge that it does in fact contradict what has been said publicly. Those of us that are claiming a 2-year run could turn out to be wrong, but we aren't pulling this info out of our ass.

 

[Belobog]

When Ford started producing the new generation Boss 302's in 2010 are you telling me that they had set production numbers for the two year run?

I can tell you they did not and as we all know Ford built ~8400 Boss 302's over the two year run but had no definite number of cars in mind back in 2010.

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Yes, unless you just think all the pre-production articles were written by psychics, Ford claimed they would make 3250 Boss 302 and 750 Boss 302 LS for two years. They stayed fairly close to this in 2012, only building about 15 more LS than originally stated. Some of these were replacements for cars damaged in a train accident during shipping

The fact that they built about 250 extra 2013 Boss 302 shows that if customers demand, they will build more cars than planned.

 

[2Cool]

Lesson learned from this: Dealerships are greedy bastards perfectly willing to take deposits on cars they will never deliver. Aka: fraudulent criminals. And going to a direct sales model like Tesla is the only real fix to this crap.

 

[cjgt350]

So much speculation in this thread it is ridiculous. Stick to what we know has been said by Jim Owens and Ford's history of how they have handled special edition vehicle allocations. What Dodge has done or is now doing is meaningless.

This was posted in an article... may be legit maybe not but does coincide with what Jim Owens stated in an interview.

2016 Shelby GT350 Mustang Production Numbers

According to the now-removed Facebook post, production of the 2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 will be limited to 5,000 units, while the higher performance Shelby GT350R Mustang will be limited to just 500 units. In the grand scheme of things, 5,500 cars might not seem like very many examples of the new Shelby Mustang, but if Ford sells all 5,500 Shelby GT350 units during the 2016 model year, it will be far more successful (in terms of sales) than the previous generation Boss 302 or Shelby GT500.

In searching around the internet, it looks as though the common annual Boss 302 production totals indicate that Ford sold 4,016 Boss Mustangs in 2012 and 4,273 Boss Mustangs in 2013. Of those units sold in 2012, 3,249 were the standard Boss 302 while the other 767 were the higher performance Laguna Seca package and in 2013, 3,526 were the Boss 302 while 747 were fitted with the Laguna Seca package.

Based on those figures, Ford plans to build significantly more 2016 Shelby GT350 Mustangs than they did 2012 or 2013 Boss 302 Mustangs, but the company plans to build significantly less of the higher performance GT350R models when compared to the 2012 and 2013 Boss 302 Laguna Seca Mustang.

It should also be noted that during the 2012 and 2013 model years, prospective Mustang buyers could also pick the pricier and more powerful Shelby GT500 Mustang. Ford sold 4,834 examples of the GT500 in 2012 and another 4,885 in 2013, so when you add those figures to the production numbers of the 2012 and 2013 Boss 302, Ford sold a total of 8,850 high performance Mustangs in 2012 and 9,158 in 2013.

 

[PP0001]

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Yes, unless you just think all the pre-production articles were written by psychics, Ford claimed they would make 3250 Boss 302 and 750 Boss 302 LS for two years. They stayed fairly close to this in 2012, only building about 15 more LS than originally stated. Some of these were replacements for cars damaged in a train accident during shipping

The fact that they built about 250 extra 2013 Boss 302 shows that if customers demand, they will build more cars than planned.

I appreciate your attached examples of production numbers but each article was issued in 2011 and if you read my statement about the time line that was speaking to I indicated 2010 which is when the first Boss cars were being built.

If you can show me some press releases from the Fall of 2010 showing 4000 Boss cars be projected for 2012/2013 then I certainly would apologize for my error?

Having said that yes the examples you provided were very accurate and appreciate your insight.

With respect to 2012 LS builds Ford built 37 more LS cars than originally stated not 15. For the two year production run of LS cars Ford built 52 more LS cars than originally planned.

As far as the train derailment, yes there were 2 2012 LS cars involved with the railway claiming ownership of these cars based out on paying for these damaged cars but that did not last long.

Ford got both of them back.

For what it is worth Ford built an extra 318 cars for the 2013 Boss than originally planned.

 

[Steve68]

I have a questions. I found it interesting that the GT350 is one of the options on the new Mustang "build & price" web site. Were other limited production vehicles like the Boss and GT500 ever shown on the B&P web site? Sincere question.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Lot of egos in here....LOL!!

 

[bretlasalle]

This is just a gut feeling I have, but I was very interested in buying the Hellcat when they came out. Was willing to pay $5-$7500 over, but wanted it from a local Bay Area, CA dealer. I couldn't find anything even close (except for a green one with auto trans that I never considered). I would read the Hellcat forum almost daily and found that a few owners had some real issues with their Hellcat (http://www.hellcat.org/forums/2015-challenger-srt-hellcat.10/) - every production car will certainly come with issues and those issues will show up on the forums quickly. However, I just have a gut feeling that Dodge found some flaws and are currently addressing those issues. It just seems odd that they can't find a way to produce more cars more quickly to get closer to meeting demand. And now with this new article, it makes me wonder if that gut feeling I have is correct.

 

[Blk2015GT]

So much speculation in this thread it is ridiculous. Stick to what we know has been said by Jim Owens and Ford's history of how they have handled special edition vehicle allocations. What Dodge has done or is now doing is meaningless.

This was posted in an article... may be legit maybe not but does coincide with what Jim Owens stated in an interview.

2016 Shelby GT350 Mustang Production Numbers

According to the now-removed Facebook post, production of the 2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 will be limited to 5,000 units, while the higher performance Shelby GT350R Mustang will be limited to just 500 units. In the grand scheme of things, 5,500 cars might not seem like very many examples of the new Shelby Mustang, but if Ford sells all 5,500 Shelby GT350 units during the 2016 model year, it will be far more successful (in terms of sales) than the previous generation Boss 302 or Shelby GT500.

In searching around the internet, it looks as though the common annual Boss 302 production totals indicate that Ford sold 4,016 Boss Mustangs in 2012 and 4,273 Boss Mustangs in 2013. Of those units sold in 2012, 3,249 were the standard Boss 302 while the other 767 were the higher performance Laguna Seca package and in 2013, 3,526 were the Boss 302 while 747 were fitted with the Laguna Seca package.

Based on those figures, Ford plans to build significantly more 2016 Shelby GT350 Mustangs than they did 2012 or 2013 Boss 302 Mustangs, but the company plans to build significantly less of the higher performance GT350R models when compared to the 2012 and 2013 Boss 302 Laguna Seca Mustang.

It should also be noted that during the 2012 and 2013 model years, prospective Mustang buyers could also pick the pricier and more powerful Shelby GT500 Mustang. Ford sold 4,834 examples of the GT500 in 2012 and another 4,885 in 2013, so when you add those figures to the production numbers of the 2012 and 2013 Boss 302, Ford sold a total of 8,850 high performance Mustangs in 2012 and 9,158 in 2013.

Bunch of stupid people or just ignorant is my guess. Think they know better about Ford/Shelby's plans than Ford/Shelby corporate

Facts:

Fact- Jim Owens is the VP Marketing at Shelby Automobiles- in the "know" clearly
Fact- Owens said the GT350 would have production numbers between Boss and GT500 production numbers
Fact- There were roughly 4,000 Bosses made in 2012 and 13 respectively
Fact- There were no more than 5,100 GT500s at the peak production (absent 2007-2008 which Ford has also admitted was a mistake making that many and toned down every year after that to 5,000 or less from 2009-2014)

The 5,000 fits in the 4,000-5,100 range.

Anything else is mere speculation until Ford announces otherwise. Another retarded "I reject your realty and in its place substitute my own"

 

[chopsui]

I have a questions. I found it interesting that the GT350 is one of the options on the new Mustang "build & price" web site. Were other limited production vehicles like the Boss and GT500 ever shown on the B&P web site? Sincere question.

Do you have a link to this? I'm not seeing the GT350

 

[tlondon]

Do you have a link to this? I'm not seeing the GT350

http://wwwqa.bp3.ford.com/2016-Ford...rmal&branding=1&zipcode=77339&lang=en#/Style/

 

[prevent34]

Bunch of stupid people or just ignorant is my guess. Think they know better about Ford's plans than Ford corporate

Ford corporate? Really?

Lets take a look at "Ford corporate" credibility regarding other SE editions.

"Ford corporate" called for 2500-3000 Mach1s, over 16,000 were built and eventually sold.

"Ford corporate" proposed a 2 year, 3-5 thousand unit run of GT500s. Eight model years and over 48,000 units was reality for no other reason than they could sell that many. It does not get any more simple and straight forward than that.

"Ford corporate" past history with SE Mustang clearly demonstrates the fact they build as many as they can sell.

5,000 GT350s could very well satisfy the annual number of willing and able buyers. They will obviously build more of them if sales trends lead them to believe that additional units will clear the market without significant incentives.

This is a very simple concept that has been well demonstrated with each and every SE Mustang in recent history.

 

[PP0001]

Bunch of stupid people or just ignorant is my guess. Think they know better about Ford/Shelby's plans than Ford/Shelby corporate

Facts:

Fact- Jim Owens is the VP Marketing at Shelby Automobiles- in the "know" clearly
Fact- Owens said the GT350 would have production numbers between Boss and GT500 production numbers
Fact- There were roughly 4,000 Bosses made in 2012 and 13 respectively
Fact- There were no more than 5,100 GT500s at the peak production (absent 2007-2008 which Ford has also admitted was a mistake making that many and toned down every year after that to 5,000 or less from 2009-2014)

The 5,000 fits in the 4,000-5,100 range.

Anything else is mere speculation until Ford announces otherwise. Another retarded "I reject your realty and in its place substitute my own"

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[Strokerswild]

I have a questions. I found it interesting that the GT350 is one of the options on the new Mustang "build & price" web site. Were other limited production vehicles like the Boss and GT500 ever shown on the B&P web site? Sincere question.

I know at least the last iteration of the GT500 was on the B&P site, not sure about the Boss.

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