GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

As soon as we receive an S550, we will be comparing the new features and equipment to the old S197. We did a rough estimate from the equipment list and found about 140-160lbs of new garbage. This seems on par with the C7's 190lbs feature and equipment gain over the C6. I feel our 140lbs estimate is too low and we will find a few more pounds in the Mustang.

I see there is some confusion about the IMSA CTSCC Z/28.R and its advantages on C5. Its crazy how those major advantages are just brushed aside. Its a poor showing, just to bring a 7 liter engine into a 3.6-5.0 liter class.

I will attempt to make it clear momentarily...

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[ChefBorOzzy]

You have not explained what the 2SS doesn't have that the 2016 model will..

 

[DivineStrike]

You have not explained what the 2SS doesn't have that the 2016 model will..

The interiors of the chevy's aren't that nice so weight can be gained there. Also maybe more airbags, I don't know how many are already in the thing. However I'm not in complete agreeance with the pill. I don't think the Camaro will lose a bunch of weight. I do think it will lose some though, just not enough to bring it to the mustangs weight.

Both the vette and mustang were decently light enough for their size originally so it was pretty easy for them to gain weight. The camaro has a lot of room for improvement imo. I don't think Chevy likes their camaro being a porker, I believe they'll want to do everything they can to fix this.

 

[ChefBorOzzy]

2012 and up Camaro received a bit of an update to the interior and I'm sure the 2016 will be a decent leap. I don't see it gaining much weight in the interior department though. I believe it has 8 airbags already. 2016 will be lighter.

 

[DivineStrike]

I really hope camaro gets their stuff together soon because as long as it does lose weight, it is greatly in their benefit to reduce specs sooner than later. its competition already has its specs out and weight isn't going to change much amongst the big 3. I'm about to order my mustang, but if by chance the chevy could check all the right boxes i could potentially swap sides. However I don't really see chevy checking more boxes than the mustang. I'm already a mustang fan, it has great power (regardless of minimal improvement from the prior year), and efficiency will be class leading. I don't see chevy beating the last one. Which between these two cars is a deciding factor. Well that and style as I'm sure the chevy will have great performance as well.

 

[ChefBorOzzy]

I'm not sure if you meant that the interiors of the Chevy's or Camaro models are not nice. Most new Chevy models have solid interiors. Camaro obviously needs an update.

You don't see Chevy beating the efficiency numbers of the V8, 4, or 6 cylinder Mustang? The numbers on the V8 ones will probably be identical. Can't say much for either of the other ones though.

If I were you, I wouldn't swap rides after making the decision. Waste of money in my opinion for cars that will be pretty close in everything. Unless you simply prefer the style of one greatly over the other once you see both.

 

[Big reg]

ZL1 was meant to outperform the '12 GT500 which it did in every category. Ford sucker punched everyone by releasing the '13. It's easy to keep a 112hp increase a secret when you are using essentially the same engine with your aftermarket blower option added in. No one saw it coming. So technically the ZL1 was not a failure as Ford Fanboys would like to think. It was meant to beat the 12 GT500 and it did easily.

The 5th gen is not my cup of tea due to interior quality, and overall size (almost traded in my CTS-V for an '11) but sales figures indicate it is a success. It's hard to take someone serious in regards to their speculation about an upcoming vehicle when they literally hate it and have an agenda to discredit it at any cost.

 

[DivineStrike]

I'm not sure if you meant that the interiors of the Chevy's or Camaro models are not nice. Most new Chevy models have solid interiors. Camaro obviously needs an update.

You don't see Chevy beating the efficiency numbers of the V8, 4, or 6 cylinder Mustang? The numbers on the V8 ones will probably be identical. Can't say much for either of the other ones though.

If I were you, I wouldn't swap rides after making the decision. Waste of money in my opinion for cars that will be pretty close in everything. Unless you simply prefer the style of one greatly over the other once you see both.

Oh i just meant cancel the order if any good information was released. Like I said, I expect styling to be good, performance to be good and I expect it to lose weight but I really don't have faith they will improve upon the mpgs very much. So, I also highly doubt I will come close to canceling my order, also the information most likely just won't be released yet. And the mpg's on the camaro is about 10% less on average with the V8 vs the mustang 5.0, even more once you go 1LE

and yes I meant the camaro. The rest of the lineup is pretty nice interior wise

 

[ChefBorOzzy]

I think you'll see similar real world numbers if you go to fuelly.com. 1LE may decrease the mileage. I believe it does have different gearing and definitely wider tires. Same goes for track pack Mustang for 2014 as far as what I have read. Gas mileage isn't as good as regular, but really there is hardly a difference. It may be 4 dollars per fill-up at most I would think.

Anyway, they'll both be great cars and I don't think a person would go wrong buying any of the three muscle/pony cars.

 

[DivineStrike]

Yea last time I checked fuelly, the camaro still had significantly less. But true both are good choices really.

 

[thePill]

2012 and up Camaro received a bit of an update to the interior and I'm sure the 2016 will be a decent leap. I don't see it gaining much weight in the interior department though. I believe it has 8 airbags already. 2016 will be lighter.

I can only speak from our C7 and S550 experiences, both in which gained significant weight in this area. So much un fact that it completely negated any major structural losses. First and foremost, the 6th Gens powertrain weighs far more than the 5th Gens. 45lbs in the engine alone and the transmission will likely mirror that gain. But we can't really working from the Zeta 2, we are actually building on to the Alpha Long. We can expect wheels, tires, brakes and suspension to have a major impact on weight when applied to the TT V6's 3976lbs on the Alpha CTS.

I'd would like to think our sports coupes are lighter than our sedans. That's just not the case anymore. They are building the structure support for the convertible and high performance models into the base structures now. This is weight we can't account for because it is not visable. This was demonstrated in the 2012 Camaro structure for the convertible, the high po models took advantage of that. This is weight that currently, neither Alpha has built into it.

This is why I think a Sport Alpha should be devised to build both a Camaro and a CTS coupe.

There is no way a full size wheelbase Camaro can survive in this market today. The Corvette makes a true Mustang competitor difficult.

 

[ChefBorOzzy]

Certain things on the Cadillac will not be as plush on the Camaro. You need to get in your head that the current Camaro 2SS is very well loaded. The wheels on the 2016 Camaro will probably be downsized to 19's for the "base" v8.

Go to Chevrolet.com and Cadillac.com and start looking at weight. Look at the Camaro, SS, ATS, CTS, and then think about those numbers for a bit and give it a rational thought. Look at the weight difference between the ATS sedan and coupe. Check the weight on ALL of the CTS models.

The 2SS Camaro is only 27 pounds heavier than the 1SS and the car IS LOADED. All this gibberish about the added features will add weight. Go look at the weight of the Chevy SS which is LOADED and has a great interior.

As a fan of a particular brand and a basher of another, you'll be very disappointed once the weight of the 2016 Camaro is announced. Mustang vs Camaro in 2015 will be a great year for everyone and it will be even better once Dodge joins in on the fun.

 

[Backorder]

That's what I'm wondering...when will dodge join the fun and bring in their new baby? I'm thinking 2017 MY unfortunately :-( I would TOTALLY be interested if they came in with their smaller platform and brought back the 'cuda name...:-(


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[Mikes5.0]

I have to agree with Ozz since I have a hard time believing that Chevrolet will release a camaro that weighs as much as Pill is saying. I mean Chevrolet knows the weight of the mustang now so why would they release the next one with so much weight it could not possibly compete with the Stang?

 

[lil=john]

I have to agree with Ozz since I have a hard time believing that Chevrolet will release a camaro that weighs as much as Pill is saying. I mean Chevrolet knows the weight of the mustang now so why would they release the next one with so much weight it could not possibly compete with the Stang?

But G.M did not know the weight "Mustang" when they started on the 2016 Camaro. At this time both the Ozz and thepill is speculating on the weight.

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