GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

...and, not sure how much that duck tail would help. In this class, these cars could use a high ped. There is no downforce... I thought that was a class standard, I could be wrong though.

Edit: Yeah, those high ped rear spoilers are um... not mandatory but, a suggest upgrade via IMSA/NASCAR. Back in 2011, the M3 and Boss used OEM spoilers. The 302R is also sold with the Boss spoiler.

Does Team Camaro have any idea what they are doing? It took me 30 seconds to find that out... These idiots just put fender extensions and a duck tail on a car that can't use em...

Race bred my a$$!!! In-bred maybe.

LOL!!

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[thePill]

...and if they need a 7 liter, Z06 engine to compete with a 3.6 and 4.0, they need to pull their head out of their ass and have it examined...


...both head and ass...

 

[Grimace427]

...and if they need a 7 liter, Z06 engine to compete with a 3.6 and 4.0, they need to pull their head out of their ass and have it examined...


...both head and ass...

Tell us how you really feel!!:lol:

 

[nametoshowothers]

Tell us how you really feel!!:lol:

It is hard to judge since he sticks to facts

 

[Grimace427]

It is hard to judge since he sticks to facts

Not if you're a camaro fan! Then it's all lies and blasphemy!

 

[Stuntman]

The Challenger and Camaro both require major changes to race GS. The both have equally bad track records... and it's fantastic the Camaro's glue on aero made it... But nothing else did. It was a waste of my time. Let's stop and give Chevy a pat on the back for an limp d!cked attempt at a Z/28. If you absolutely need to change that much equipment to be allowed on the track, you shouldn't be there. I'm sure those that opt for a spoiler are charged in restrictive plate.

It isn't a Chevy product, it is built by Pratt Miller. I guess that's close enough to OEM... I didn't really see an LS7 Camaro as a threat anyway. It's a very funny joke, but not winning any championships that way. They should have developed the Z/28.R first, then scaled it back to OEM. They didn't test that piece of shit until 4 days before the race. It's bad, I doubt we will see anything productive from that setup.

Team Camaro only listed 3 things the z28 and Z/28.R had in common... That is ALL...

The M3 and Boss are closest to their OEM cars, the 997 is close too. The WRX was also near OEM. There are some changes BUT, for the most part, it is as close as you can get unless it's the '60s again. Chevy, like Dodge, most likely didn't have the money to participate... So, you get 6 wins in 5 seasons...

Edit: I can count on one hand how many changes the Boss 302 had from the Boss 302R. See how I worded that???

The race car came first, developed on the race track. The z28??? backwards... BMW and Porsche also invest in this method... Corvette too.

You should take note, those idiotic fender extensions are not needed to clear a 10 inch tire in Conti. The GS had no problems... Dumb asses didn't think about that one...

The Challenger never even podiumed while the camaro has a lot of podiums and wins. So that's not quite a fair statement. Heck, I don't think an Aston even won a race have they?

As my previous post stated, thebwider track from the bolt on fenders allows them to space the wheels for a wider track which improves cornering.

I think the M3 and BOSSs ran aftermarket wings back in 2011 and IIRC, neither of them won races until they got the wing (including the camaro with its decklid spoiler).

I thought the 7-L motor was the new C7 motor and not a Z06 motor?

 

[thePill]

The Challenger won 4 races since 2008-'09...

The Z/28.R tires STILL do not clear the glued in fender extensions. It is a 10 inch tire in a 11 inch slot. Your saying the Z/28.R has also altered the track to compete?

The Boss 302R won 5 or 6 races in the '11 season, Tuner, Fall-Line and Roush were within 8 points of the Championship... all without a whale tail...

Kind of a weak argument... I just wouldn't bring up the Camaro until next generation where racing is concerned.

 

[Grimace427]

I thought the 7-L motor was the new C7 motor and not a Z06 motor?

The LS7 is no longer used in anything other than the Z28. The current C7 engine is the 6.2l LT1, with a supercharged version in the C7 Z06. I don't know what the current C7 racecar uses but the C6 used a 5.5l LS7 variant, the displacement being dictated by the series rules.

 

[thePill]

GT350 rumor:

The GT350 could use "Twin Tube" rear dampers, asking around right now. Be right back.

Edit: Not Twin Tube... Reservoir shocks...

 

[Grimace427]

Wouldn't mono-tube dampers be more appealing?

 

[thePill]

Wouldn't mono-tube dampers be more appealing?

Nah, although, I never personally needed a reservoir shock... A mono tube was well within my operating range. The '13 GT500 used them, Bilsteins to be exact. I need to try an get word if those Twin-tube dampers are a "Performance", "Track" or FR package on the GT. If so, that is going to be an expensive package. Think '13 GT500 PP pack... The "Track Pack" would be the coolers and such. If the car has more than $7000 in "packages", I personally feel an R model is needed.

 

[jjw]

Ford already stated "twin tube" are standard, PP comes with "Mono Tube".
Are you referring to a remote reservoir?

 

[thePill]

Update: I am hearing from MT, Automobile and Hot Rod (shared media) that these Twin-Tube Rear Dampers are on the GT's spec sheet/press release. The other guys are saying NO, it was in the release but IS NOT on the GT option list. It's late so I don't think I will be getting a hold of anything else tonight. That is a healthy option on a GT... With 275's boxed, 15/13 inch disc and possibly a dual tube shock, that is more just as much handling equipment as the '13 SVT/TP equipped GT500. This thing is going to rule class...

 

[thePill]

Ford already stated "twin tube" are standard, PP comes with "Mono Tube".
Are you referring to a remote reservoir?

I think that is where the confusion is from... No reservoir on the GTPP would make sense, the media guys are incorrect and assuming. I would need to check their spec reports and see how they have it listed.

It is possible the GT350 could have a reservoir then. Mono or Twin would depend on the desired ride I guess...the GT is using mono, doubt it will go to the standard twin.

Edit: It was I that messed up, when I asked, I described the unit "with dual cylinders". I could have swore I referenced the '13 GT500. Sorry guys...

...and sorry source for placing the blame on you.

 

[Stuntman]

The Challenger won 4 races since 2008-'09...

The Z/28.R tires STILL do not clear the glued in fender extensions. It is a 10 inch tire in a 11 inch slot. Your saying the Z/28.R has also altered the track to compete?

The Boss 302R won 5 or 6 races in the '11 season, Tuner, Fall-Line and Roush were within 8 points of the Championship... all without a whale tail...

Kind of a weak argument... I just wouldn't bring up the Camaro until next generation where racing is concerned.

Um... The Challenger has NEVER won a race in the GS class.

The Z/28.R's fender extensions widens the fenders, which allows for teams to use wheel spacers to increase the track width of the car to stay within the rule that you have to keep the top half of the tire within the body work. Wider fenders = wider track width = more grip. So 'glued in fender extensions' are a competitive advantage.

Again, the Boss 302Rs and BMW M3's all have non OEM wings and are actually worse in this regard than the OEM aero used on the Z/28.R

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