GT350 vs. Z/28

[Pablo GT350]

So, your saying that the z28 is all tire?

Actually I do think its almost all tire. Have you noticed how skinny the new C7 Z51 tires are? That chassis don't require near as much tire as the C6 did.
So yea its all tire, multimatic spool shocks, ceramic brakes, and a bad ass 500hp motor. So what?

I'm starting to wonder what the controversy is. Pill says the chevy marketing dept lied and you can't race this car in any series. It sounds like they did hype it up a bit. Ok we get it. The hype will die down soon enough.

Is it overpriced? Yea I'd say so by 10-15k but hey if people want to pay it then so be it. But add up the cost of the brakes, shocks, and engine and you might be shocked.
Actually I think the z28 price will make the C7 Z06 look like a bargain. We probably won't even remember the z28 after the z06 comes out.

Bottom line IMHO: Chevy built a car to win magazine contests. Appears to be Mission Accomplished. I wouldn't mind at all if Ford uses that tactic as well.

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[Taneras]

Actually I think the z28 price will make the C7 Z06 look like a bargain. We probably won't even remember the z28 after the z06 comes out.

This x 100

 

[thePill]

Good Morning Mustang fans!!! Looks like Crow for breakfast!!!

Bam!!! The Z/28.R SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RACE IN CTSC GS. It shouldn't need 100 more horsepower to compete. The class average was 375hp...

Here is the Z/28.R with, Penske shocks (bye, bye Multimatics), 14.6"/14" fr/rr rotors (bye, bye Brembo's) and loaded with Carbon Fiber panels... The rear gear ratio has even been changed...

No f@ckin' thanks!!!

So, let's continue to explore this Mickey Mouse piece of sh!t... I need to point this out, I actually rolled over laughing when I verified this... The Z/28.R is using 275/35 18x10's... and still using fender extensions.

This was suppose to be what I misled you readers about right?

I must be still lying...

...and, I'm not callin Randy a liar, he's not holding the stopwatch. The media is... Randy has no idea what the times are until after the laps. That's not even exploring the possibility of a Ringer. That is an age old Chevy tactic... even GM has been busted doing this for some time.

Another thing to note, at the paragraph at the top, you see that the Multimatic shocks and Carbon Ceramic Brakes are not legal in CTSC. Well yeah, we explored that in depth didn't we? It isn't until C&D says it that it's accepted. Thanks Car and Driver, I do apologize for our heated back in forth in 2010. I'm sorry, you were still incorrect but, I'm gonna say my approach was too aggressive.

...and even more...

Remember thePill specifically said the SS has gained some weight since 2010. Team Camaro never made this public. You poor people speculated on a possible 3700lbs z28... On Camaro5, where people from Chevy regularly post. I told you the SS was nearing 4000lbs right? Did I not say about 3940-3960? Well? Look at that... C&D takes another page out of thePill's book (with my permission of course) and let it be known. They said 100lbs less than the SS right?

So why is the 2014 z28 5lbs heavier? Again, you were LIED to.

 

[Khell86]

I find this page intersting.... puts it equal to the current GT500 in regards to everything except the 0-60 and 1/4 of course.

 

[thePill]

Yes sir, very interesting indeed... Makes a 2013 Boss 302 match up make sense... It's a bigger advertising gap.

Speaking of gaps Khell... I find this even more interesting...

Say what!!! The GT3 beat the z28 by over 1/2 a second? Hmmmm... The 1:35.76 from the Porsche is also almost a full second faster than MT's test... Still considered slow to me for a GT3... That was at the full 2.38 mile course. MT wanted a Nismo and GT3, somehow they couldn't get one... Even though one was being tested that day by Autoweek... that Porsche brought.

Sounds like Camaro mischief to me...

Strange how that always works that way...

Car and Driver were not permitted to post lap times :(

 

[thePill]

Dude? WTF?!?!? The z28 ran a 1:37.28 (a second slower than the 911 and GT-R), then they dropped the tire pressure down 6psi? Uggggg... Let's do that for everyone else shall we? The 911 was on 220 thread wear tires... No wonder it sucked!!! That's what the base Mustang comes with!!

Again, MT couldn't acquire a GT3, even though Autoweek got one...

NEWS ALERT!!! The Porsche 911 S Turbo is not faster than ANY GT-R ANYWHERE... Not even the old GT-R's... Let alone a new one with 545hp. Boooooooooooo!!!!

So, let me get all of this straight...

A 475hp 911 S just out ran the AWD 545hp GT-R using 220 TW tires... Because that is what they are selling. The GT-R wears 60 TW tires as well I thought.

 

[Khell86]

Dude? WTF?!?!? The z28 ran a 1:37.28 (a second slower than the 911 and GT-R), then they dropped the tire pressure down 6psi? Uggggg... Let's do that for everyone else shall we? The 911 was on 220 thread wear tires... No wonder it sucked!!! That's what the base Mustang comes with!!

Again, MT couldn't acquire a GT3, even though Autoweek got one...

NEWS ALERT!!! The Porsche 911 S Turbo is not faster than ANY GT-R ANYWHERE... Not even the old GT-R's... Let alone a new one with 545hp. Boooooooooooo!!!!

So, let me get all of this straight...

A 475hp 911 S just out ran the AWD 545hp GT-R using 220 TW tires... Because that is what they are selling. The GT-R wears 60 TW tires as well I thought.

I find it kind of odd that GM wouldnt send the Z/28 to the testers in perfect condition ready for the track as is. So did GM have too much tire pressure in the tire to begin with or did the testers think they knew better and added it only to reduce it later?

It's definitely a little strange...

 

[thePill]

Stranger than finding a magical 911 that can out lap an AWD 545hp, GT-R in 220 TW tires? In the "cold and wet"??? Ummmm....

The GT-R can manage a GT3, the GT3 Autoweek drove managed a 1:35.7 so, the GT-R should be under that.

Dropping tire pressure in an "official" test is WEAK... Discovering a magic 911 is front page news as well. It seems MT was sceptic of the 911 Porsche sent them, it may have also been a Ringer. At least they noted the pressure drop, that's just honest reporting. They also admitted the Porsche was a little strong since it out accelerated the GT-R.

It could be Porsche and Chevy were meant for each other. I still say a 911 could break a 1:36 on a full course Barber. It doesn't on a 2.27 mile version so, I already had issues with that. Although, on 220's, who knows... That is an economy tire for top speed.

 

[thePill]

1st, this is a magazine test and is taken as gospel on Camaro5. They are quick to point out the "Cold and Wet" lap the z28 just pulled a 1:36 on. They leave you to dig up the variables... which they still won't allow you to post. The z28 ran last, on a "dryer" track, once it didn't succeed, they dropped the tire pressure and ran it again, on an even "dryer" track. That's the "official" time. None of that was discussed... Furthermore, the 911 is using a 220 thread wear tire. Why? I know, they couldn't get the GT3 like the super influential Autoweek (lol). They got one... but not MT. Car and Drivers lap? where? I'd like to see it please. They ran a GT3 at a 1:35.7 right? In reality, where would a 2014 GT-R place in that race? I can tell you now, it will beat a GT3 in the dry, wet, snow, hot, cold, hurricane, earthquake... You name it... The GT-R is almost 2 seconds off the pace. The Autoweek test was done on a full 2.38 mile track, that GT3 could shave another 1/2 second off the z28's Barber configuration. Sorry, missing facts don't make a car good... Dropping the tires pressure during a test is low... but very Camaro, I expected trash like this.

2nd, the Camaro's restrictions were removed in 2011 on the GS.R. Is that what you mean by changing? The Boss and M3 have had a 57mm and 36x2mm restriction since 2011... Is that what you mean by changing all the time? ALL HP levels in CTSC are RWHP on a Mustang type Dyno. When they say 470, they mean RWHP. This is a class standard unless the Camaro is granted a different testing method. As I mention before, with the BMW M3/M4 dropping the 4 liter V8 for a 6 Biturbo, this class will soon be a turbo 6 class. That's what I mean... You should know about the M4's power train changes if your gonna disput competition. I am done talking GS, as I said before, they don't belong.

The wheels look silly, and they are not permitted a front offset. The 275's are no where near the edge of the fender extensions. This makes the Z/28.R look comical...

 

[thePill]

Wait a minute... Road and Track tested at Barber too. They ran an impressive 12.2@118mph.

Road and Track and Car and Driver are media partners, like MT/Automobile/Hot Rod. They are NOT permitted to post a lap time at Barber.

Road and Track has the temperatures at 62 degrees, 30% humidity at an awesome 30 foot elevation... Those are PERFECT conditions... Yet no lap time.

You only brought one Ringer??? I smell Bullsh!t...

 

[thePill]

Brother, your clueless...

Anyway, R&T could only stop the z28 from 60-0 in 115 feet. That is very, very poor and inconsistent with the sub 100 foot stops at MT in 30 degree temps. Hmmmm...

Seems like the C&D/R&T z28's were weak, remember that Buttonwillow time? Slightly faster than the 2005 C6 425hp Corvette. Not a good sign...

 

[PowerUp]

Several things

1.) There is a Ford time in that list, I bolded it. And that's a really suspect time for a Ford GT.

I think I typed CURRENT FORD. By golly I did! As to its time, send your cards and letters to Dearborn. Maybe, like its tires, Ford cheaped out on a driver. Hired a poop instead of Pobst. Maybe.

3.) Ford doesn't make a high dollar car like the Z28 at this time,

That might help explain the Pep Boys rubber.

Or their socio-economic target market. Ford knows BEST.

 

[thePill]

Any idiot that drives race rubber to the track is a FoD hazard. I'm changing rubber no matter what Ford puts on the car.

Kinda early to be weeping on the internet don't cha' think? The z28 is ALL rubber...

I'm not paying $80,000 for a Camaro with tires. With a 60 thread wear rating on your daily driver, those tires will be gone before a track day comes up. Your not going to get good times in daily driven tires... A serious track guy would understand this...

Everyone wants to talk serious but don't practice in all seriousness. Of course, we are talking open track. The z28 can't compete anywhere...

 

[PowerUp]

Oh, and this just in, for you Grassy Knoll co-conspirators:

2014 Porsche Turbo S has a rating of 560 hp, and 553 lb-ft (with the 20 second overboost engaged, which affects torque only).

It always helps to post accurate info, pill. Spend a few buck$ and buy the M/T magazine; it's there in black and white.

 

[Taneras]

I think I typed CURRENT FORD. By golly I did! As to its time, send your cards and letters to Dearborn. Maybe, like its tires, Ford cheaped out on a driver. Hired a poop instead of Pobst. Maybe.

Or Perhaps its a bogus list... Nearly 75 of the times on that list are to the exact second. It's not a legit list, and it was pretty lazy on your part to post it.

That might help explain the Pep Boys rubber.

Or their socio-economic target market. Ford knows BEST.

Nah they just didn't put carbon ceramic brakes on their GT500. Had they, it would be worth at least 100k - this is of course going by Jonny's car value algorithm...

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