Gt350 vs e92 M3

[arsenalrocks]

lol man

powerband is defined as the range between peak tq and peak hp.
the S65 has a much wider powerband than the gt350. from 3900rpm to 8300rpm, where as the GT350 does from 4750rpm to 7500rpm

so please, get your facts checked.

The 2015 GTPP is faster than a Boss, which is faster than the E92 M3. What's your car weigh? 3,600 lbs? Even with a sub 3,600lb stripper, the 350 is only a couple hundred pounds heavier and has a FAR better tire size to weight ratio than the E92 with its undersized tires.

I love the looks of the E92 M3 and agree the GT looks bulky with its large hood, but the GT350 fixes that and looks a lot more lean, like the M3.

The 350 is geared lover because its powerband is >3,000rpm wide while the M3 needs shorter and tighter gearing to keep it high in the revs where it's power is. I can understand that for canyon carving, the shorter geared M3 would be more involving and require more shifting, but the 350 will blow it's doors off with torque and grip.

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[krt22]

"Wider" between the peaks isnt as important as total area under the curve . Voodoo wins that, hands down, by a large margin.

 

[Stuntman]

^agreed. "Useable powerband". Try being a gear too high at 3,800rpm in the S65. You won't be able to get out of your own way. 3,800 is a tick too low for Voodoo (ideally want to stay above 4,500rpm), but you won't lose anywhere near as much time. The 350s gearing is pretty well spaced for its useable powerband to be very fast on track. Way faster than a GTPP which is faster on track than a Boss, which is faster than an E9X M3 (on track). You really need to keep the S65 as close to redline as possible with such little torque to go fast.

 

[Dave2013M3]

The 2015 GTPP is faster than a Boss, which is faster than the E92 M3. What's your car weigh? 3,600 lbs? Even with a sub 3,600lb stripper, the 350 is only a couple hundred pounds heavier and has a FAR better tire size to weight ratio than the E92 with its undersized tires.

I love the looks of the E92 M3 and agree the GT looks bulky with its large hood, but the GT350 fixes that and looks a lot more lean, like the M3.

The 350 is geared lover because its powerband is >3,000rpm wide while the M3 needs shorter and tighter gearing to keep it high in the revs where it's power is. I can understand that for canyon carving, the shorter geared M3 would be more involving and require more shifting, but the 350 will blow it's doors off with torque and grip.

A few hundred pounds is a few hundred pounds, that is not unsubstantial.

I got to tell you I don't beleve the S550 is faster than my E92 around a track. I found the PP car to be way under-damped. An E92 on newer rubber (not Contisport Contact 3s or older PS2s which most tests were run on) but with Mich PSS or PZero's like the cars are coming with now it would have been a different test. Everyone keeps bringing up the test of the E92 with the Conti tires on it...the car with the Mich PS2s was almost 1 sec. faster than that test, the Mich PSS are quite a bit quicker than those. Tires are everything.

Agreed on the E92 being undertired...thats why my car runs 275/295 setup with 10" and 11" wide wheels... I can guarantee this has gone along way from alleviating any issues with mechanical grip. Sometimes the amount of grip from the front of the car surprises me. The GT350 owes a lot of its track credentials due to the tires and sizes they are running, which I think is awesome.

For me the issue is coming out of a car that I love for a buyout at the end of my lease for $40K, a car in which I have been offered almost $50k for. If I could get a GT350 @ MSRP I would definitely consider it. I have been itching to get back into a Mustang for while now. The GTPP isn't it, not for me. If I have to get into a GT350 with even $5k over MSRP, I probably would still keep the E92 and just start looking about a stroker kit from VAC Motorsports or a few other builders that are doing these.

One other thing that just came up, my car is involved with the Takata airbag recall..BMW is telling me now they can't even sell me the car at the end of the lease until the airbag is replaced..WTF!! I only have 5 mos. left and they will extend it out 90 days, but after that they may not...:(


Dave

 

[krt22]

lol, I wish ford would buy back my 2012 which has been under recall for almost a year and still no fix in the horizon from Takata.

 

[xt6wagon]

lol man

powerband is defined as the range between peak tq and peak hp.
the S65 has a much wider powerband than the gt350. from 3900rpm to 8300rpm, where as the GT350 does from 4750rpm to 7500rpm

so please, get your facts checked.

Powerband can be defined many ways, but I've never heard anyone describe it like you have as its nonsensical. Peaks are just that, the shape of the overall curve and the gearing matter.

If the engine has a hole in the powerband, it can make what looks like a broad powerband comparing peak to peak very narrow in reality.

 

[Stuntman]

Your car is modified, so put 275/295 PSS on the GTPP and it will be close but I'd still put my $ on the GTPP (having tracked tons of them & M3s). I agree the GTPP is underdamped in body control and stiff for ride quality, where the M3 is much better, but with coilovers on the GTPP & M3, I'd still give the hand to the GTPP, which actually rides better than stock with KW V3s.

The GT350's magnaride rides better than the M3 & handles better on track as well. It really feels much lighter on its feet than its weight suggests, it feels much lighter than the GTPP and the aero is WAY better than it & the M3.

 

[Dave2013M3]

lol, I wish ford would buy back my 2012 which has been under recall for almost a year and still no fix in the horizon from Takata.

BMW offered me to drive the car to any dealer and they will pay for a rental car until the end of the lease if I didn't want to drive the car due to a potential faulty airbag. Take my chances with the M...

 

[arsenalrocks]

there is only 1 definition of power band and that is peak tq to peak hp, the rest of the definition is just internet BS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_band

stock dyno e92 m3, the most perfect dyno shape anyone can ever dream of.

Powerband can be defined many ways, but I've never heard anyone describe it like you have as its nonsensical. Peaks are just that, the shape of the overall curve and the gearing matter.

If the engine has a hole in the powerband, it can make what looks like a broad powerband comparing peak to peak very narrow in reality.

 

[Stuntman]

^so you stay at 3,800rpm at the apex of corners to maximize the powerband?

 

[Dave2013M3]

Your car is modified, so put 275/295 PSS on the GTPP and it will be close but I'd still put my $ on the GTPP (having tracked tons of them & M3s). I agree the GTPP is underdamped in body control and stiff for ride quality, where the M3 is much better, but with coilovers on the GTPP & M3, I'd still give the hand to the GTPP, which actually rides better than stock with KW V3s.

The GT350's magnaride rides better than the M3 & handles better on track as well. It really feels much lighter on its feet than its weight suggests, it feels much lighter than the GTPP and the aero is WAY better than it & the M3.

I will disagree with the GTPP part of this, we can agree to disagree. The GTPP I drove felt so soft while even my 3 yr. old E92 felt so button down compared to the S550. I haven't had the chance to drive a GT350 on the street let alone a track to make a call but I believe the GT350 is definitely faster than the E92 around a track in capable hands.

One other advantage is I can actually drive with my boys in the back seat. The back seat of the Mustang was really no better than my 997.1S, when they were babies no biggy...now 14 and 11 they would have an issue back there. I realize for those of you who don't have kids..this don't mean nothing...

 

[Stuntman]

I agreed with your assessment of the stock damping of the GTPP & the V8 M3 being more buttoned down. But stock for stock with the same driver, the GTPP will probably win every time despite the less refined suspension.

 

[Dave2013M3]

there is only 1 definition of power band and that is peak tq to peak hp, the rest of the definition is just internet BS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_band

stock dyno e92 m3, the most perfect dyno shape anyone can ever dream of.

Thats why I laugh when people say the M3 you have to rev out to have fun, makes me question whether they even drove one. There isn't a lazy gear in the whole car, the cars gearing is darn near perfect to match the powerband.

 

[nastang87xx]

The E92 is no feather weight either, I would say its a wash (within ~100lbs).

Definitely not. A Performance Pack DCTcoupe weighs in at mid 3700's.

 

[krt22]

lol if semantics are more important to you than actual performance then please, go ahead and stick to your definition. Unfortunately perfectly flat torque curves dont make the car any faster. I will take the GT350s 300-350ft-lbs+ from 3k-8k all day and twice on sunday. And if you turned the smoothing up on a GT350 plot it honestly doesnt look a ton different, minus the entire torque curve being considerably higher

The e92 has a great motor, but fapping over dyno curve shapes isnt going to make up for the large displacement difference compared to the voodoo.

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