GT350 Engine/Oil Usage/Fix thread.

[Voodooo]

So say we do this. Ford has already not been very easy to work with. Why am I going to give them anymore ammo to be a pain in my ass? I'm not going to give them any excuse to deny my warranty by saying I tampered with it or something along those lines.

Sorry, my faith and trust with Ford, especially after the recent recall notice in the other thread, is extremely low right now.

How did you notice how much oil it's using? What and when brought this up? Did you just happen to check the oil one day? Did the oil psi drop? I'm just asking to help.

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[Screamer]

So say we do this. Ford has already not been very easy to work with. Why am I going to give them anymore ammo to be a pain in my ass? I'm not going to give them any excuse to deny my warranty by saying I tampered with it or something along those lines.

Sorry, my faith and trust with Ford, especially after the recent recall notice in the other thread, is extremely low right now.

Take it for what its worth, or not. If you find oily wet plugs in cyl 2-3 at that point you will know more than the jackoff dealer does about your car. Call ford service, tell them your new car is using a shitload of oil and you have some nasty oil soaked plugs in a couple of cylinders, and dealer is jacking you around. You may go to the front of the line. Or dump the pos.

 

[Colleton]

Okay. So keep it. I'm just telling you what I would do in your shoes if I were as unhappy about it as you seem to be. Life is too short to stay wound around the axle over something like this when it can be easily resolved by direct action on your part.

FWIW, I really do feel for you. I'd be heart sick and pissed off, and would have the car traded on something else ASAP.

 

[Minn19]

Take it for what its worth, or not. If you find oily wet plugs in cyl 2-3 at that point you will know more than the jackoff dealer does about your car. Call ford service, tell them your new car is using a shitload of oil and you have some nasty oil soaked plugs in a couple of cylinders, and dealer is jacking you around. You may go to the front of the line. Or dump the pos.

Why are none of you guys reading the posts in this thread!?! The dealer isn't the jackoff. It's Ford Performance or Ford Corporate. They won't even let their own dealers/techs touch the motor, but you are asking those of us with this issue to do it? Does that make any sense at all to you?

 

[Voodooo]

Don't be that guy. They actually didn't tell me to keep it topped off by the way.

Something isn't right here. I'm a mechanic and either you are not telling us something or the service department isn't telling you something. If I was the mechanic in charge of this issue I wouldn't settle on telling the customer to keep an eye on the oil level and keep it filled.
First off is a visual inspection for leaks.
2nd I'd look at the intake tract, plugs and tail pipes for oil fouled plugs and oiled tail pipes.
3rd I'd do a compression / leak down test and record the numbers.
4th I'd check the coolant and also do a coolant psi test and make sure the oil isn't leaking into the coolant either from the oil filter cooler pad being cracked or or seals. I've seen many times where the oil filter cooler went bad and oil contaminated the cooling system. Often times from being over tightened. The cooling system is only 14-20 psi where the oil psi is up to 100psi cold. This is an easy place for oil to go. But this would also cause a nice mess if you're using that much oil it would blow out into the engine compartment everywhere.
If you are using 1 quart of oil in 800 miles or so it shouldn't be hard for anyone to find. If you are having problems with your dealer, try another dealer and also contact ford performance.
Ford CAN NOT void your warranty for maintaining maintenance on your vehicle. Period.

 

[Minn19]

Okay. So keep it. I'm just telling you what I would do in your shoes if I were as unhappy about it as you seem to be. Life is too short to stay wound around the axle over something like this when it can be easily resolved by direct action on your part.

FWIW, I really do feel for you. I'd be heart sick and pissed off, and would have the car traded on something else ASAP.

Ok, say I take it in and trade it in on another M car, which is what I'd most likely do. Do you really think they aren't going to do their due diligence and find out about a major recall on the car? How much do you think they'd give me for it?

Besides, I'm not that kind of person that is going to sell or trade in a car with a major safety issue without disclosing it. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

I took a bath on a Focus ST that had major quality issues a couple of years ago. I did trade it in and lost a ton of money. Like an idiot I gave Ford another chance. I'm not taking another bath because they can't build a decent car and stand behind it this time.

 

[Voodooo]

Ok, say I take it in and trade it in on another M car, which is what I'd most likely do. Do you really think they aren't going to do their due diligence and find out about a major recall on the car? How much do you think they'd give me for it?

Besides, I'm not that kind of person that is going to sell or trade in a car with a major safety issue without disclosing it. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

I took a bath on a Focus ST that had major quality issues a couple of years ago. I did trade it in and lost a ton of money. Like an idiot I gave Ford another chance. I'm not taking another bath because they can't build a decent car and stand behind it this time.

Oil use isn't a safety issue.

 

[Minn19]

Something isn't right here. I'm a mechanic and either you are not telling us something or the service department isn't telling you something. If I was the mechanic in charge of this issue I wouldn't settle on telling the customer to keep an eye on the oil level and keep it filled.
First off is a visual inspection for leaks.
2nd I'd look at the intake tract, plugs and tail pipes for oil fouled plugs and oiled tail pipes.
3rd I'd do a compression / leak down test and record the numbers.
4th I'd check the coolant and also do a coolant psi test and make sure the oil isn't leaking into the coolant either from the oil filter cooler pad being cracked or or seals. I've seen many times where the oil filter cooler went bad and oil contaminated the cooling system. Often times from being over tightened. The cooling system is only 14-20 psi where the oil psi is up to 100psi cold. This is an easy place for oil to go. But this would also cause a nice mess if you're using that much oil it would blow out into the engine compartment everywhere.
If you are using 1 quart of oil in 800 miles or so it shouldn't be hard for anyone to find. If you are having problems with your dealer, try another dealer and also contact ford performance.
Ford CAN NOT void your warranty for maintaining maintenance on your vehicle. Period.

I have no idea. It is also using coolant. I've taken it in twice for these issues and both times they said Ford is going to replace the motor. They and I looked at the car with them and cannot find any leaks or any other obvious reasons for the issues. As I said many times previously, Ford will not let them get into the motor. Then I get the call last Friday expecting a timeline on the replacement engine, but instead get the story I (and others) have stated here.

Could my dealer be lying to me, I guess, but very unlikely. What would they have to gain? They have more to gain by putting in the engine money wise. Plus, they have been very upfront with me and fixed a number of other quality issues on the car.

 

[crazyfish]

Look, I appreciate what you are saying, but it is not my job to figure out Ford's issues. I do not have the time nor desire to go find an independent mechanic and drop my car off etc. What is an independent mechanic going to find out that Ford doesn't already know? Or are you saying that Ford really isn't working on the problem? If that is the case then that is a completely different issue.

Ford has a contractual duty to fix my car. I have not modified it or abused it so I have held up my end of the bargain. If they cannot in a timely manner or flat out refuse to do so then that is what lawyers are for. I really don't want to go down that road. I've only hired a lawyer once and that was to file my wife and I's will. I love the car and really don't want anything else. But no way in hell am I going to check my oil every third day and add a quart every other week (or more) on a brand new car with a warranty. This is really up to Ford and they are forcing me (and I'm guessing others) into a corner. They are handling many issues with his car very poorly at best and possibly illegally at worst.

Agreed! Agreed! Agreed!. The way most of us have been treated has been horrendous. Both by dealers and Ford. Ford's customer support has been horrendous for follow up, basic support, up dates and even acting as Medicare between custom and dealer. Dealers are ? My dealer started out good and no longer will return my calls, take my car for service or even talk to me if I even arrive for a surprise visit. just ridiculous on how I have been treated let alone some of the other stuff I have heard and read.

Right now I am scared their is no one to fix these gt350's. I have 2 Ford performance dealers near me and both will no longer sell or service the gt350's. The one dealer sold 11 cars with 2 in the shop needing a trans on 1 and an engine on the other. They told me both cars have been their about 2 months. No more they said.

The other dealer I thought was an advertiser on here and their service manager said if you didn't buy your gt350 from them then their is no service or warranty for you available from them?

I am trying to find another dealer local but so far nothing. Went to 2 others and not even had a gt350 allocation so they can't. Confusing situations.

 

[Minn19]

Oil use isn't a safety issue.

The recall says differently. Plus, you are a mechanic. You really think driving a car that is using more and more oil as time goes on is a great idea? I don't have the experience you do, but it doesn't take an experienced mechanic to figure out something is very wrong and could lead to a breakdown at a very bad time.

I have no idea if the recall and this issue are related. But, it is definitely something worth looking in to don't you think?

 

[Voodooo]

The recall says differently. Plus, you are a mechanic. You really think driving a car that is using more and more oil as time goes on is a great idea? I don't have the experience you do, but it doesn't take an experienced mechanic to figure out something is very wrong and could lead to a breakdown at a very bad time.

I have no idea if the recall and this issue are related. But, it is definitely something worth looking in to don't you think?

I'm not disagreeing with you. We're trying to help you and I truly feel for you. If it were my car I'd do it myself because I do not trust anyone else. I wish I could be there to help more. I know what you feel hurts and is disappointing. Sorry friend. We all just want you to enjoy your car. I hope it all works out for you. My advice is to try another dealer and to talk to someone at ford performance yourself. Skip the gate keepers and go above them. I've seen a failed GT350 at my local dealer and ford sent out a guy and he told me he's the only guy from ford that investigates the gt350. His words not mine. This motors not much different then a 5.0. Granted it's got a flat plane crank, better heads and induction, but it's still a coyote based engine. Not rocket science like they try to make everyone think.
I hope it gets better for you soon.

 

[Gigantor]

Why are none of you guys reading the posts in this thread!?! The dealer isn't the jackoff. It's Ford Performance or Ford Corporate. They won't even let their own dealers/techs touch the motor, but you are asking those of us with this issue to do it? Does that make any sense at all to you?

Ford really needs to clean up their act, you paid good money for your
GT350 and I really hope they do the right thing by you or shame on Ford.

Don't let Ford engineers brainwash you into believing a brand new car
is suppose to burn oil at that rate

 

[Minn19]

How did you notice how much oil it's using? What and when brought this up? Did you just happen to check the oil one day? Did the oil psi drop? I'm just asking to help.

Sorry, I didn't see this post. I was checking my catch cans after an AutoX. I checked the oil while I was doing that and found it was halfway down the dipstick. This was about 3000 miles or so. I kept an eye on it and it dropped to the bottom of the stick ina few hundred more miles. I then added a quart and that disappeared very quickly so I reluctantly took it in to the dealer.

 

[Voodooo]

I have no idea. It is also using coolant. I've taken it in twice for these issues and both times they said Ford is going to replace the motor. They and I looked at the car with them and cannot find any leaks or any other obvious reasons for the issues. As I said many times previously, Ford will not let them get into the motor. Then I get the call last Friday expecting a timeline on the replacement engine, but instead get the story I (and others) have stated here.

Could my dealer be lying to me, I guess, but very unlikely. What would they have to gain? They have more to gain by putting in the engine money wise. Plus, they have been very upfront with me and fixed a number of other quality issues on the car.

If it's using coolant and oil then it's cracked somewhere or a failed seal or gasket. Someone isn't being honest to you.

 

[Sammy]

How can this be accurate. First you say 80 miles per quart then you say 2 quarts per full tank of gas. You're telling us you get only 160 miles per tank of fuel?

I don't let it run dry. Guess I am weird.

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