GT PP Brake Pad Options

[Norm Peterson]

You want a race pad for race tracks. Plain and simple.

Of course. It's the 'street' side of things that perhaps isn't. Ease (or not) of pad changes and the frequency of track days will figure in to how likely you might be to keep swapping them. So might the level of track pad that you need. I certainly wouldn't expect XP20's or 24's to be at all street-friendly, and even XP12's may be a bit marginal even for me and where I live.

If HPS is the 'bogey' for performance street pads, any claim of Bobcats performing only "at least as good as" those isn't going to impress me regardless of how little dust they may generate.


Norm

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[dwaleke]

HPS are an average street pad at best. HP Plus are better with a few downsides.

I've never been a fan of hawk pads. Although I haven't looked at them in many years. So if things have changed good for them.

At least as good as is referring to performance pads from the OEM. In one specific instance the performance metallic dusty pads that Audi uses on many of their S models. Good bite and stopping power for the street however wheels covered in dust within a day (very much like the current GT PP brakes).

 

[StoneRT]

I really don't care about dust as long as it is easy to clean and isn't going to destroy the finish on the wheels. For the most part I have been satisfied with the performance and streetability of the HP+ pads on previous vehicles, but like I mentioned in the original post I am willing to consider other comparable pads. This thread was intended to see if there are any pads available on the market that fit my needs (dual purpose daily driver and occasional track day) not to debate the pros/cons of low dust vs performance.

So from the sounds of it the only proper fitting pads available currently are Ferodo?



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[apex15stangPP]

WE need pads now!!! I could care less about dust, plenty of company's make good rags and cleaner. I make 100MPH+ stops every weekend and I'm getting my ass handed to me by other makes and models because they have a race or aggressive pad for them, I don't like this!! Also, don't like a pads that covers 5 mm less of rotor surface. If you care about dust and noise, they make Lincolns too!! I have one of those too, nice ride, no brake dust!:ford:

 

[Ruby305GT]

WE need pads now!!! I could care less about dust, plenty of company's make good rags and cleaner. I make 100MPH+ stops every weekend and I'm getting my ass handed to me by other makes and models because they have a race or aggressive pad for them, I don't like this!! Also, don't like a pads that covers 5 mm less of rotor surface. If you care about dust and noise, they make Lincolns too!! I have one of those too, nice ride, no brake dust!:ford:

 

[Schu]

One issue about some high dust high metallic content performance pads is that the dust sticks to your cars finish in the areas behind the front wheel and stay there and begin to oxidize. That oxidation transfers to the body and finish and that is not a good thing.

Its very very difficult to clean once that area is affected... even clay wont remove some of it once it begins to establish the oxidation.

 

[apex15stangPP]

Sorry I wasn't claiming to be a badass, I just need options! It's just frustrating to get on here and read about dust and NVH, its a performance car, so it should be such!

 

[dwaleke]

Those that need track pads should buy them. Those that don't ... well they want a good performing pad that is quiet with little to no dust.

One pad cannot do both and it's very silly to try. It will be good at neither use case. Shitty on the track and shitty on the street.

Pretty sure you can send your pads to carbotech and they'll put a compound on them that suits your needs. Call them.

 

[M3Convert]

There are high performance pads on the Ford parts website now. I think they are $315, but I have no clue as to their composition or properties, other than they are "high performance"

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[dontlifttoshift]

Apex, how many sets of stock pads have you been through?

Have they faded on you at all?

 

[Norm Peterson]

Sorry I wasn't claiming to be a badass, I just need options! It's just frustrating to get on here and read about dust and NVH, its a performance car, so it should be such!

I know what you're getting at. Anybody can make valid judgments about brake dust and noise. So we get lots of those kinds of threads.

But without ever driving a car with pads that don't fade in hard use and that bite RIGHT NOW, it is too difficult for most folks to imagine how brake pads could be much better than what came on the car.


Norm

 

[Genzen]

The stock brakes pads are excellent for track IMO. I just tracked it two weeks ago maxing speed at ~120mph and stopping hard in some of the turns. Five sessions each about 25 minutes long, NO FADES whatsoever.

[ame]

Fast straights at: 2:19; 4:04 etc... (almost every 2 mins - my fastest lap 1:49)

Agree that they are very dusty. Getting less dusty pads for street should be fine with no sacrifice to daily performance (including occasional hard stops). But I would never use them on the track. Would be concerned with FADING after 10 - 15 mins on anything else.

 

[Norm Peterson]

They may be OK at high 1:40's/low 1:50's and 120 mph on that track (your video, which I'm assuming was by GoPro, showed me a 1:47 lap - 6:06 from 4:19), but I'd be more than cautious about running them once your T-bolt lap times drop consistently into the mid to upper 1:30's and you're braking from 125 or better and braking later.

Do you know why you were getting a little lockup during the early laps but not in the later ones?

I'll make this suggestion advisedly - make your downshift between T4 and T5 rather than after apexing 5. Advisedly because if you're carrying as much speed through 4 as your tires can support, your stock pads may not be able to keep getting you slowed down in the time & distance remaining after you get your downshift done.

I've found that if you try to stay inside line most of the way from T8 and all the way through T9 that you're essentially early-apexing 9 when you'd really rather be a little later there so you don't pinch yourself going into 10 (and have to slow down for it).


I'm not an instructor, but I run solo at NJMP in HOD's Group B and in NJMP's advanced/instructor group at NJMP's own track days and have a 1:37 T-bolt lap time in my 4.6L GT to show for it.


Norm

 

[dwaleke]

The stock brakes pads are excellent for track IMO. I just tracked it two weeks ago maxing speed at ~120mph and stopping hard in some of the turns. Five sessions each about 25 minutes long, NO FADES whatsoever.

IMO you are driving the car very easy. If you were doing door-to-door racing you would put at least twice as much abuse on your car and your brakes. Stock pads will not cut it in that environment.

 

[M3Convert]

I am going to see tomorrow night at Thompson, CT...doing the SCCA Track Night in America bone stock. I am used to Castrol SRF brake fluid and Performance Friction PF-01 pads on my former M3. However, it didn't have fixed caliper 6-pot brakes to manage the heat. I'll be taking it easy!

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