GM is pulling back on EVs

[K4fxd]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ca...push-renewables-electric-vehicles-experts-say

California's grid faces collapse as leaders push renewables, electric vehicles, experts say

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[RagmopInKona]

BMW investment secures future of Mini factories - BBC News

Further EV investment

Whilst some on here look as far as they can, to only see what they want regarding EV's, the reality is sales growth and investment are very high. Yes there are some crappy EV's (brands and models) which will struggle to sell, but there are crappy ICE cars too.

For MOST people MOST of the time EV's are at least as good if not better than ICE. This is a reality not a dream. People buy EV's / PHEV's because they work for them, not to virtue signal or because they have money to burn.

Our PHEV is a perfect example. It is the best SUV we have ever had, doing local journeys on home produced electricity and an ICE for long journeys. It is MUCH better than any ICE SUV we have had over the years. It costs the same to buy (no subsidies / penalties either way) - it is the BEST option for us. We are just one of many who are finding the same thing out.

Most people in the UK/US want a car that starts, stops, keeps them warm and dry and enables them to do their 8/10 mile average journey length each time. They want nothing more and nothing less, which is why EV's are so popular now.

As an owner of 2 ev's one for 5 years and the other for 2.
They are no where near ready for the mandated all ev new vehicle fleet .
***Range sucks in the cold, charging is even worse.
**Charging is bad in any summertime heat,
** Battery pack gets too hot it limits your hp/ power you can have.
**A 100 amp 220-240 volt curcuit to your garage or home near driveway is not cheap.
**THose in cities that park on the street or those in apartments with a lot are S.O.L.
**Storms Any standing water over 3" is a no go, and the normal power outages of days to weeks .
** They kill tires, My Mustangs summer only p=zeros are shaping up to last longer.

Now in a greenies perfect world, where power outages never happen , no fridged temps nor any hotter than 86*F , no need to go more than 75 miles each way. because they don't get the range they claim when you have the wipers on, the heater or a/c on, or your infotainment on any louder than a whisper and are stuck in bumper to bumper crawling traffic daily to get to and from work , If you never have to tow anything farther than your local hardware store. The ranges claimed are about as real as the window stickers EPA MPG ratings on ICE vehicles.
Very few fall into the users that will not see any of that above as problems.


Funny part is those that troll here claiming the EV is the savor of the world.
NOT ONE OF THEM OWN ONE!

 

[Burkey]

Funny part is those that troll here claiming the EV is the savor of the world.
NOT ONE OF THEM OWN ONE!

Except for the guy you’re replying to, who has literally JUST explained to you that he owns one….

 

[K4fxd]

Except for the guy you’re replying to, who has literally JUST explained to you that he owns one….

He owns a HYBRID, not a BEV

 

[sk47]

He owns a HYBRID, not a BEV

Hello; Perhaps in a world where bees are now considered to be "fish" by one of our alphabet agencies, a hybrid is the same as a BEV by some.
I get the hybrid has battery & electric motor similar to the BEV. I think some hybrids allow a driver to drive on battery power for short distances.
Hybrids were the camel's nose under the wall of the tent so to speak. A test bed for a portion of the BEV platform.

I think the hybrid is closer to the ICE in major ways. No charger needed. Fill up at a gas station. The hybrid electric motor and battery close to invisible in daily use. Other than the extra cost not much different than an ICE in use.

 

[K4fxd]

A BEV is battery only. A PHEV is a plug in hybrid It can drive on battery only or gas. Much more practical especially in a country as large as ours.

So the BEV champion realizes the BEV is a pipe dream while still promoting them.

 

[sk47]

A BEV is battery only. A PHEV is a plug in hybrid It can drive on battery only or gas. Much more practical especially in a country as large as ours.

So the BEV champion realizes the BEV is a pipe dream while still promoting them.

Hello; Yes he, Burkey, does promote them then becomes offended when we chide him for his recent ICE purchase.
The rationalization being that a BEV was not yet suitable for his family lifestyle. Duh! Such has been a main point in these discussions for months now. The ICE is well suited for close to all people. The hybrid is also similarly suited if you can afford one.
The BEV is only well suited for a small portion of the population. While a BEV may suit their needs well, for the majority of folks a BEV will not work or will be marginal. Yet BEV's are on track to be mandated as our only "new" vehicle choice very soon.

I expect the BEV champions will have a Willey Coyote moment in the future.

 

[RagmopInKona]

Except for the guy you’re replying to, who has literally JUST explained to you that he owns one….

You own a hybrid . Nice try

 

[K4fxd]

It's greg24 that owns the hybrid, Burkey owns an ICE

 

[Vlad Soare]

Hybrids are absolutely fine. I had one and loved it. It's the best of both worlds. A hybrid Mk5 Mondeo (a.k.a. Fusion) is one of the finest cars, if not the finest, in its class and price range.

A BEV is a completely different story.

 

[sk47]

Hybrids are absolutely fine. I had one and loved it. It's the best of both worlds. A hybrid Mk5 Mondeo (a.k.a. Fusion) is one of the finest cars, if not the finest, in its class and price range.

A BEV is a completely different story.

Hello; I for one and I am confident many others are fine with hybrids. When it comes down to it I do not mind that BEV's exist. It is more the mandates on ICE sales, the destruction of a working energy and transportation system and the massive amounts of money we do not have being earmarked for "green energy". Guess i could add the "war" on fossil fuels to boot.

If a BEV was cheap enough i could use one for 80% to 90% of my run around chores. Since the Ford Focus has gone away I have been looking for a new high MPG small car. I have three Toyota dealers who have promised to call if a Corolla hybrid comes available. I do not think they will any time soon as the trick seems to be to plunk down a $500 non refundable deposit. The folks who do that will get the cars.

The deal with Burkey is all the months/years of preaching at us about EV's and than recently buying an ICE. I understand his reasons as some are very much the same reasons an EV will not work for me.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

It's greg24 that owns the hybrid, Burkey owns an ICE

Yes, with a sweet ICE vehicle on order. My man Gregs.

 

[Burkey]

Yes, the “alarmist” are quite clever, now trying to pretend that hybrids are the same as BEV’s. They are a sneaky, hypocritical bunch.

Sneaky?
Ok, let’s do a test of memory.

You guys claimed that a BEV can easily burn your house down.
Tell me how a PHEV can’t do the same?

You guys claimed that lithium mining is a terrible tragedy.
Tell me how a PHEV is any different.

You guys have said that a BEV can’t drive in 3” of water.
Explain the difference.

You all claimed that the grid would suffer with BEV’s.
Explain to me how a PLUG IN hybrid that typically uses its battery rather than the ICE (because most trips are short enough for the battery to do all the work) is any different.

The only real, FUNCTIONAL difference between the two, is that one has the ability to use an ICE if the trip length requires it.

I’m not making an argument, I’m stating facts. Do with it what you will. Maybe you could push back against PHEV‘s too, now that you know the truth of it.

 

[K4fxd]

You are right, the PHEV does suffer from all the failings of a BEV except it can run and be charged by it's ICE engine.

Most PHEV's have smaller batteries than a true BEV so the hit to the grid will be less.
Hydrogen or another type of fuel cell will be the future. If we must have battery cars mandated they might as well be hybrids.

 

[Burkey]

Most PHEV's have smaller batteries than a true BEV so the hit to the grid will be less.

Erm…nope. The battery size makes no difference to the peak load the vehicle presents to the grid, in the same way that the size of your fuel tank makes no difference to how much fuel you consume or the speed at which the pump dispenses it.

I see hybrids as a stop-gap measure while we wait for better battery chemistry (longer range/lighter/cheaper/less hazardous blah blah)

PHEV’s have their place, but arguing that they’re not subject to MOST of the same “potential” issues as a BEV is disingenuous at best.

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