GM is pulling back on EVs

[Inthehighdesert]

Not sure what your point is. An entire transport ship went down. It was attributed to a battery fire. It is what is. I don’t care if some one wants to drive an ev. They’re not for me but I don’t hate on them. It’s disingenuous to assert there aren’t issues with lithium batteries. There simply is. I’ve had to put out an ev fire, it was t fun. Pull up what went on in Florida after the last really bad storm and the ev’s that were around. There should be a little more dilligence with them, it’s only prudent.

The initial blaze is said to have started in the cargo hold, where thousands of cars, including some battery-electric vehicles, were being shipped to North America

It doesn't actually say what started the fire but you (and others) have assumed it was a BEV that started it. This subject has been brought up many times on this thread, in fact EV's are considerably LESS likely to catch fire than ICE powered cars.

Maybe a less 'sensational' report is here

Felicity Ace Fire is Out | Why Do Car Carriers Have Such Trouble? (autoweek.com)

The cause of the fire is still unclear. Keep in mind, gasoline cars are far more likely to have fires than electric cars—60 times more likely for straight-up gas cars and 200 times more likely when you combine gasoline cars and hybrids compared to EVs

It could have started in an EV (and even then it may not have been the HV battery) or more likely in an ICE car. Of course once the fire starts in enclosed space like that everything else will burn with it. I suspect we will never know.

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[Gregs24]

Not sure what your point is. An entire transport ship went down. It was attributed to a battery fire. It is what is. I don’t care if some one wants to drive an ev. They’re not for me but I don’t hate on them. It’s disingenuous to assert there aren’t issues with lithium batteries. There simply is. I’ve had to put out an ev fire, it was t fun. Pull up what went on in Florida after the last really bad storm and the ev’s that were around. There should be a little more dilligence with them, it’s only prudent.

Firstly as I have demonstrated clearly it was NOT attributed to a battery fire as the source of the fire. YOU stated it was - perhaps you could provide the evidence that it was started by a battery fire as every source I have found says the source of the fire was unknown. There were some EV's on board but plenty of ICE cars on board too, and as we know ICE vehicles are MORE likely to start a fire than an EV

Secondly I did NOT say that there are not problems with HV battery fires. I DID say that EV's are LESS likely to start a fire than an EV together with the likelihood in figures.

Don't add to the poor quality sensationalism with your own incorrect statements. You do not know what started the fire because investigators don't know what started the fire.

 

[sk47]

Hello; I see the champions are working the language hard to try to diminish the serious issue with a BEV fire. Several different spins. Perhaps the more disingenuous being it is just the way it is so live with it. A take from that is something like OH Well you MUST have an EV so learn to live with it.

Just as the issue with dead eagles from wind farms compared to an obscure lizard, this ICE vs. BEV fire issue will not faze the champions.

My tune continues to be the champions are trading one set of environmental issues for a new and different set. Not necessarily a better set of issues. Of course, they are looking thru the rose-colored glasses.

 

[K4fxd]

The fact they are going after pizza ovens and not jet airplanes tells me everything I need to know.

 

[Burkey]

The fact they are going after pizza ovens and not jet airplanes tells me everything I need to know.

Because you assume that the reasoning is sinister?
Or, are you suggesting that employee health shouldn’t be protected?

“There are nasty health implications to spending a lot of time around coal- or wood-fired stoves, said Michael Seilback, national assistant vice president of state public policy for the American Lung Association.”

To be clear, the proposal only applies to ovens built prior to 2016. So no, it isn’t necessarily a “green” policy driven by some sort of climate agenda.

Your news source is engaging in culture wars rather than sticking to the facts.

 

[K4fxd]

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Yea, they did a quick back pedal. First it was for Co2 emissions, when they got called on it they switched to "health implications".

It's about neither, it is just about control.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

No point to this. Your a kool aid drinker. Not wasting my time. Do your own research.

Firstly as I have demonstrated clearly it was NOT attributed to a battery fire as the source of the fire. YOU stated it was - perhaps you could provide the evidence that it was started by a battery fire as every source I have found says the source of the fire was unknown. There were some EV's on board but plenty of ICE cars on board too, and as we know ICE vehicles are MORE likely to start a fire than an EV

Secondly I did NOT say that there are not problems with HV battery fires. I DID say that EV's are LESS likely to start a fire than an EV together with the likelihood in figures.

Don't add to the poor quality sensationalism with your own incorrect statements. You do not know what started the fire because investigators don't know what started the fire.

 

[jtmat]

No point to this. Your a kool aid drinker. Not wasting my time. Do your own research.

You didn't even bother to read the darn article. If you had, you would have had something to say in rebuttal. Stop getting excited over headlines and do some reading next time.

What you stated was not factual. Period. Sad.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Yawn. Not sure why you engage these …… . There only here for one reason, and its for the mustang Side.

Because you assume that the reasoning is sinister?
Or, are you suggesting that employee health shouldn’t be protected?

“There are nasty health implications to spending a lot of time around coal- or wood-fired stoves, said Michael Seilback, national assistant vice president of state public policy for the American Lung Association.”

To be clear, the proposal only applies to ovens built prior to 2016. So no, it isn’t necessarily a “green” policy driven by some sort of climate agenda.

Your news source is engaging in culture wars rather than sticking to the facts.

 

[jtmat]

Your news source is engaging in culture wars rather than sticking to the facts.

Bingo. Non-facts from that one. It's definitely gotten worse over time. Funny, he seems to have a story for everything that "fits." Bottom line is he is not truthful. I called him out in another thread as well.

That exchange about his son was amazing. First his niece is stupid and now his son. He is the small tree the apples have not fallen far from. In other words, sounds like a LOT of bad parenting. Oh well.

 

[sk47]

Hello; The issue with a boat load of vehicles having a mix of BEV's and ICE is not so much how the fire started. It becomes how hard it is to extinguish the BEV fire once started. With ICE you might have a chance with sprinklers or a fire hose. Not so with a BEV.
They can spin and twist over and over but the fire issue is real and among the bigger of the BEV issues.
The industry will hopefully find some sort of "fix" for the seriousness of a BEV fire. It will not be practical to ship them separately. Perhaps ship the BEV with dead batteries? Perhaps have a system on the ship which drains the charge into the ships system during a voyage?

 

[K4fxd]

That exchange about his son was amazing. First his niece is stupid and now his son. He is the small tree the apples have not fallen far from. In other words, sounds like a LOT of bad parenting. Oh well.

I'll assume this is about me?

My Son the engineer. Who worked designing engines for Cummins and now works for the DOD as an engineer?

My Niece who is smarter than probably 90% on this forum, she just buys into the liberal side.

Are you talking about my MD sister? the one who refused to be jabbed and has been proven correct?

Not sure what other thread you "called me out in"

 

[K4fxd]

Perhaps ship the BEV with dead batteries? Perhaps have a system on the ship which drains the charge into the ships system during a voyage?

Problem with shipping them dead is if you drain them too far some cells will randomly switch polarity.

 

[sk47]

Problem with shipping them dead is if you drain them too far some cells will randomly switch polarity.

Hello; Thanks. Did not know that.

I'll assume this is about me?

My Son the engineer. Who worked designing engines for Cummins and now works for the DOD as an engineer?

My Niece who is smarter than probably 90% on this forum, she just buys into the liberal side.

Are you talking about my MD sister? the one who refused to be jabbed and has been proven correct?

Not sure what other thread you "called me out in"

Hello; He is resorting to personal attacks again.

 

[Gregs24]

No point to this. Your a kool aid drinker. Not wasting my time. Do your own research.

I did read your post and link and then did my own research which is why I posted the counter part to your comments. I provided evidence but still you can't accept it!

Rather than just accepting your error, you just resort to insults - bit sad really.

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