GM is pulling back on EVs

[Burkey]

I'm not sure how that's achievable in a reliable, safe and sustainable way?

Erm…you put some panels on your home and you produce electricity. Is it a 24/7 solution? No. But it means that “they“ don’t have “complete” control over you. “They” have much greater control over you right now. Those who aren’t investing in these things are now at the greatest risk. Ironically, they’re the same people putting forward these conspiracy theories.

If the angle is that “ they’re coming to take control of our lives”, the simple solution is to create a situation where they don’t have that level of power. Being able to produce your own commodities is one of those methods.

If “they“ were trying to take away your power, they wouldn’t be allowing you to produce and store your own electricity. I certainly wouldn’t if I was planning such a coup.

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[K4fxd]

Koolaid…

Destruction of habitat.

Is Ok if you make a solar farm but not OK if you are trying to save your home.

Erm…you put some panels on your home and you produce electricity.

All the solar panel scams around here charge you at least as much per month for the panels as you would generate. Time the panels are paid off they need replacing....

 

[K4fxd]

More fear mongering, hurry and get your BEV so you can save the planet.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/climate-dangerous-heat-could-afflict-150454682.html

Current policies to limit global warming will expose more than a fifth of humanity to extreme and potentially life-threatening heat by century's end, researchers warned Monday.

I wish I could find the news reports from the late 80's early 90's

New York to be underwater by 2020. Sea levels to rise 6 feet by 2012...........

 

[Burkey]

Is Ok if you make a solar farm but not OK if you are trying to save your home.

No idea what you’re talking about here

All the solar panel scams around here charge you at least as much per month for the panels as you would generate. Time the panels are paid off they need replacing....

That’s not an issue with the technology. A scam is a scam. Buyer beware.

 

[K4fxd]

No idea what you’re talking about here

Specifically California.

Charging people with habitat destruction for plowing fire breaks. Not charging solar panel companies for destroying habitat. Fining oil companies for killing birds. Not charging windmill operators for killing the same birds. Same when birds fly into solar panels because they look like water. The birds hit them and die.

 

[GT 550]

Erm…you put some panels on your home and you produce electricity. Is it a 24/7 solution? No. But it means that “they“ don’t have “complete” control over you. “They” have much greater control over you right now. Those who aren’t investing in these things are now at the greatest risk. Ironically, they’re the same people putting forward these conspiracy theories.

Erm...yes, familiar with panels but the key words were 'reliable, safe and sustainable'.

It's great if you're fortunate enough to be able to afford panels, and own a house on which you can decide to install them, in a geographic location where they'll work. Not sure what percentile of the population that represents but let's not forget the emergent housing shortage and home ownership crises which are likely to prevail for years.

And even for the folks who do fit into that percentile, reliance on power companies is still the only realistic option when it's cloudy or dark, which in most countries when combined is at least 50% of the time noting that 24/7 heating is a necessity in areas where greater relative extremes of cold exist.

Let's not forget that when there's a grid outage panels shut down, and batteries are well out of reach for the majority. In some areas outages are frequent and lengthy; every summer in parts of WA outages in the height of summer last for days and following storms in the ACT homes were without power for many weeks.

So panels are generally safe but neither reliable or sustainable for the needs of the majority of people whether they make their own power or not. Add an EV to the mix and it's unworkable.

'Conspiracy theories' is a broad term. Market manipulation, anti-competitive behaviour and collusion, and lack of strategic planning and poor public policy aren't conspiracy theories.

 

[K4fxd]

I'm not a video person but this is good.

 

[AZlb5.0]

I'm not a video person but this is good.

Out of sight out of mind and China has the US by the sack and over their knee. But save the earth you know.

 

[sk47]

I'm not a video person but this is good.

Hello; Around the 13 minute mark are some comments of interest. Many pages back in this thread there was some discussion about how Ford was losing $60,000 on each EV (maybe the pickup). It was and still is baffling to me. I floated an absurd idea that it was startup costs and as production ramps up the cost per unit may drop. One of the EV champions chimed in that I had it figured correctly. I accepted it since i had no better understanding nor other way to figure it.

Well, a new to me answer is provided in the video. Also, absurd but fits. Not sure how to simplify the notion. Something like it is cheaper for the car companies to build a minimum required number of EV's and lose maybe $50K on each EV rather than have to pay even bigger fines to an alphabet regulatory agency if they do not. Hope i summarized that close to correct. I know it is not logical but matches other such things I have heard of. A bridge to nowhere popped into my mind.

Lots of other stuff in the video. Much we have covered.

 

[sk47]

Erm...yes, familiar with panels but the key words were 'reliable, safe and sustainable'.

It's great if you're fortunate enough to be able to afford panels, and own a house on which you can decide to install them, in a geographic location where they'll work. Not sure what percentile of the population that represents but let's not forget the emergent housing shortage and home ownership crises which are likely to prevail for years.

And even for the folks who do fit into that percentile, reliance on power companies is still the only realistic option when it's cloudy or dark, which in most countries when combined is at least 50% of the time noting that 24/7 heating is a necessity in areas where greater relative extremes of cold exist.

Let's not forget that when there's a grid outage panels shut down, and batteries are well out of reach for the majority. In some areas outages are frequent and lengthy; every summer in parts of WA outages in the height of summer last for days and following storms in the ACT homes were without power for many weeks.

So panels are generally safe but neither reliable or sustainable for the needs of the majority of people whether they make their own power or not. Add an EV to the mix and it's unworkable.

'Conspiracy theories' is a broad term. Market manipulation, anti-competitive behaviour and collusion, and lack of strategic planning and poor public policy aren't conspiracy theories.

Hello; Here is a question. I put a new shingle roof on my house about five years ago. I am 75 so likely will do for my needs. But even a decent shingle roof last only so long. If i added solar panels to that roof and lived way longer than is normal, seems the cost of a new roof will bee even higher. if the solar panels are still good they will have to be removed then replaced after the new roof is on. Got to be a big extra expense with two teams.
Not sure how it is currently but back a few years it was hard to find a good roofing contractor.

Now the best i can figure to be a clever way to add solar is to do so when you replace a roof. That way they both may wear out at the same time???

 

[sk47]

An auto CEO came very close to saying the right thing about heavy EV batteries (msn.com)

Hello; I eagerly await the pro EV comments which will spin the battery weight issue into nothingness.
I live in coal country and share the roads with Mack trucks hauling 50 tons of that nasty coal. They are an ICE heavier than a BEV pickup stuffed with a battery heavier that a Civic to get more range.
Fora time I did repair/service work for a carpet outfit. 3/4 to one ton vans. Heavy suspension parts. These BEV pickups surely will have something like 1 ton parts and brakes. Wait till you get the bill for a brake job or new ball joints.

 

[Gregs24]

Erm...yes, familiar with panels but the key words were 'reliable, safe and sustainable'.

It's great if you're fortunate enough to be able to afford panels, and own a house on which you can decide to install them, in a geographic location where they'll work. Not sure what percentile of the population that represents but let's not forget the emergent housing shortage and home ownership crises which are likely to prevail for years.

And even for the folks who do fit into that percentile, reliance on power companies is still the only realistic option when it's cloudy or dark, which in most countries when combined is at least 50% of the time noting that 24/7 heating is a necessity in areas where greater relative extremes of cold exist.

Let's not forget that when there's a grid outage panels shut down, and batteries are well out of reach for the majority. In some areas outages are frequent and lengthy; every summer in parts of WA outages in the height of summer last for days and following storms in the ACT homes were without power for many weeks.

So panels are generally safe but neither reliable or sustainable for the needs of the majority of people whether they make their own power or not. Add an EV to the mix and it's unworkable.

'Conspiracy theories' is a broad term. Market manipulation, anti-competitive behaviour and collusion, and lack of strategic planning and poor public policy aren't conspiracy theories.

I don't think you understand solar panels.

'Reliable, safe and sustainable.'

My panels are 14 years old, they have had NO maintenance and are still producing 96% of their original output - reliable

If you don't want them, don't like them, or they don't fit your agenda then fine - but don't 'create' problems that don't exist. For very many people and places they are fantastic. They use solar PV in Antarctica!

They have a life of 25 years guaranteed and will clearly last much longer. Their production costs (price and environmental) are small even for a 25 year life - sustainable

They are no more dangerous than any other part of my domestic electrical system - safe

Battery storage is now MUCH cheaper and many systems installed here have a battery pack on initial installation. No need to worry about the dark if you have a battery pack, and cloudy days still produce electricity.

ROI - mine broke even after 5 years

Off grid - well you could but why? I export electricity at certain times so why go off grid. Yes the system goes down in a power cut but if that was really a regular problem (which it isn't here) then you just need to be able to isolate from the grid and then all would come back to life.

As long as you have a roof then you have somewhere to put them. About 5% of UK houses have solar PV, slightly higher than the US. Think of all those houses being built that could have them installed when built and all those commercial buildings with big roofs doing nothing!

If you don't like them or they don't suit your agenda then fine, but don't make up problems that are not there. Lots of people can and do use them with huge benefits to themselves and the environment. They even use them in Antarctica!

Add an EV to the mix - yes that is exactly what we do!

 

[Tinpot]

Now the best i can figure to be a clever way to add solar is to do so when you replace a roof. That way they both may wear out at the same time???

I believe that there are solar panels available now that replace the shingles/tiles etc. in their entirety. Not sure about cost or availability in various regions but that would be easy enough to find out if someone was serious.

 

[Gregs24]

Out of sight out of mind and China has the US by the sack and over their knee. But save the earth you know.

So China is producing goods / services US citizens want to buy and you blame China for that! If China has the US 'over their knee' then the US only has the US to blame....

 

[Gregs24]

I believe that there are solar panels available now that replace the shingles/tiles etc. in their entirety. Not sure about cost or availability in various regions but that would be easy enough to find out if someone was serious.

Yes - they just look like normal roof tiles. Have been around for a while.

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