GM is pulling back on EVs

[Vlad Soare]

You are not politically incorrect (or a nonconformist) because you purchased a car or believe in freedom. Many times being politically incorrect is because of the way you were raised and/or people you associate with (online/real world), etc. Heck, one could make an argument believing in freedom makes you a conformist.

In case some don't know: being PI means one does not care if they offend or upset any group of people in society who have a disadvantage, or who have been treated differently because of their gender, race or disability (as defined by Collins).

All of us are politically incorrect to some degree. At any rate, you are not politically incorrect because you purchased a car or believe in freedom.

I may not come across as truely politically incorrect on these forums, but in real life I really am, because I take the belief in freedom of speech to the extreme. I really don't care if some minority (or even majority for that matter) gets offended by my words or beliefs. I will not do anything illegal or immoral, but speech is fair game as far as I'm concerned.
I will always speak my mind. And my mind is more often than not at odds with the officially accepted policies, regardless of the subject matter - be it immigration, homosexuality, Middle East crises, Covid, pollution, you name it.

Sure, the Mustang in and of itself doesn't make me politically incorrect per se, you're right about that, but still, it's a car that defies all the current social norms, it's a middle finger shown to all politicians and to those smug, vegan, eco-loonies and virtue signallers that poison our lives. It's a car that says "fuck you all". It's a bad boy's car, in a world that shuns bad boys and promotes good ones (prefferably with a bun and a beard).

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[Gregs24]

The problem with EVs is not when they will work, it’s when they won’t work. The means a second gas vehicle is always needed to fill the gap.

I will simplify this story. Friend calls me last month broken down headed to a car show about 150 miles from me. I work about 40 miles from home so I headed back home get the trailer. 80 miles. Drive to him 230 miles. Drive him home with car. 400 miles. That would be 3-4 charges pulling a car. I couldn’t have helped him if owned a lighting. It would have turned a 6 hour trip into a 10-12 hour trip.

An EV will work most of the time but it’s the times it won’t work that force people to stay with a gas burner if they can only have one car.

Agree except for timing. 3 or 4 10 to 80% charges would take a lot less than 4 to 6 hours at roadside rapid charger. Some can add 120 miles of range in 15 minutes now. Don't forget the US is a way behind some countries EV infrastructure wise and we are only 5 years since there were hardly any EV's available. It will change fast.

Plus an FCEV or hydrogen powered ICE would have been no problem for you at all.

 

[Gregs24]

I may not come across as truely politically incorrect on these forums, but in real life I really am, because I take the belief in freedom of speech to the extreme. I really don't care if some minority (or even majority for that matter) gets offended by my words or beliefs. I will not do anything illegal or immoral, but speech is fair game as far as I'm concerned.
I will always speak my mind. And my mind is more often than not at odds with the officially accepted policies, regardless of the subject matter - be it immigration, homosexuality, Middle East crises, Covid, pollution, you name it.

Sure, the Mustang in and of itself doesn't make me politically incorrect per se, you're right about that, but still, it's a car that defies all the current social norms, it's a middle finger shown to all politicians and to those smug, vegan, eco-loonies and virtue signallers that poison our lives. It's a car that says "fuck you all". It's a bad boy's car, in a world that shuns bad boys and promotes good ones (prefferably with a bun and a beard).

Freedom of speech doesn't oblige you to be rude and insensitive though. It is possible to be kind, sensitive and thoughtful as well as embracing freedom of speech and behaviour. If you are just a contrary oaf for the sake of it that isn't so clever!

It is possible to be illegal and immoral by speech alone

 

[sk47]

Agree except for timing. 3 or 4 10 to 80% charges would take a lot less than 4 to 6 hours at roadside rapid charger. Some can add 120 miles of range in 15 minutes now. Don't forget the US is a way behind some countries EV infrastructure wise and we are only 5 years since there were hardly any EV's available. It will change fast.

Plus an FCEV or hydrogen powered ICE would have been no problem for you at all.

Hello; The towing story had a point about utility of an ICE the EV trucks do not have. The things you mention do not actually address the issues. Yes, if the high-rate chargers happen to be spaced out just right the tow trip with an EV might be some less of a problem. Still would not match an ICE for a tow job.

 

[sk47]

Freedom of speech doesn't oblige you to be rude and insensitive though. It is possible to be kind, sensitive and thoughtful as well as embracing freedom of speech and behaviour. If you are just a contrary oaf for the sake of it that isn't so clever!

It is possible to be illegal and immoral by speech alone

Hello; Have to give credit when due. So far in this thread you have not reverted to name calling, putdowns and other insulting language seen in other threads. So good job. Keep it up.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Freedom of speech doesn't oblige you to be rude and insensitive though. It is possible to be kind, sensitive and thoughtful as well as embracing freedom of speech and behaviour. If you are just a contrary oaf for the sake of it that isn't so clever!

Agreed. I'm not rude and insensitive. I will never insult someone just for the sake of it. I'm actually very polite and respectful (as long as you are the same towards me, otherwise I won't hesitate to give tit for tat instantly).

But on the other hand I will never accept being told what I may or may not say. I will never use stupid euphemisms invented just to avoid offending some oversensitive minority. I will never say "rroma" instead of gipsy, for instance.
I have no qualms declaring that I loathe the French national football team because 90% of it is made of Africans that don't belong there. This is just to give an example of what I mean when I say I am politically incorrect. If that makes me an oaf, or a racist, or anything else, so be it. I don't consider myself a racist, since I don't hate anyone based on race and I don't consider myself superior for being white, but I also won't refrain myself from controversial comments just for fear of being seen as such. If I am seen as such, so be it.

If you insult me, or anyone I care about, I may get upset, I may respond one way or the other, but I will never, under any circumstances, want to live in a world where you wouldn't be allowed to do it. I will always fight for your right to offend me.

It is possible to be illegal and immoral by speech alone

I agree it should be illegal in some situations, like instigating someone to commit murder. Or instigating an uprising. But those are extreme cases; I wasn't talking about that.

 

[Gregs24]

I have no qualms declaring that I loathe the French national football team because 90% of it is made of Africans that don't belong there.

Mmmmm...

Being born in France makes you French as far as I can tell! Which of the players are not French?

Africans that don't belong there? I can assure you that would be considered offensive by most people.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Africans that don't belong there? I can assure you that would be considered offensive by most people.

I know. And I don't care.
Whoever has a problem with that is free to say the same about me when I emigrate to Africa. And then we'll be even.
As I said, I am politically incorrect.

But we're off-topic. I suggest we go back to GM and EVs.

 

[Gregs24]

I know. And I don't care.
Whoever has a problem with that is free to say the same about me when I emigrate to Africa. And then we'll be even.
As I said, I am politically incorrect.

But we're off-topic. I suggest we go back to GM and EVs.

Not something to be proud of.

 

[jtmat]

I have no qualms declaring that I loathe the French national football team because 90% of it is made of Africans that don't belong there. This is just to give an example of what I mean when I say I am politically incorrect. If that makes me an oaf, or a racist, or anything else, so be it.

Everyone is racist to a certain degree... even those who pound their chest and claim not. We see it all around us. Your comments come off as ignorant (i.e. not understanding the history of France and Africa - heck, they speak French in many parts of Africa... ha ha ha). Your comments are not upsetting, but a sad reflection of failed school systems, parenting, bad choice in friends, lack of reading/traveling, etc.

No... I'm not insulting you... or even attempting to do such. I appreciate you being straightforward...

Sure, the Mustang in and of itself doesn't make me politically incorrect per se, you're right about that, but still, it's a car that defies all the current social norms, it's a middle finger shown to all politicians and to those smug, vegan, eco-loonies and virtue signallers that poison our lives. It's a car that says "fuck you all". It's a bad boy's car, in a world that shuns bad boys and promotes good ones (prefferably with a bun and a beard).

A Mustang says "fuck you all"? I see like 100 of them on the road each time I go out. Mustang is more of a conformist car than anything... competes with the Honda Accord in that category. Maybe that is what it says in your country. A "fuck you all" car in the states is like the Aston Martin Valhalla.

You probably shouldn't self-diagnose. Calling it "politically incorrect" is incorrect. I had a friend once diagnosed with Delusions of Grandeur you should check that out.

But you are right... this is way off topic. Have a great weekend.

 

[Vlad Soare]

No... I'm not insulting you... or even attempting to do such. I appreciate you being straightforward...

No worries, I didn't take it as an insult. And even if it were meant like that, I wouldn't mind. When you talk too freely and bluntly, you must expect to be talked to in the same manner, at least to some degree - that's only fair.

A Mustang says "fuck you all"? I see like 100 of them on the road each time I go out. Mustang is more of a conformist car than anything... competes with the Honda Accord in that category. Maybe that is what it says in your country.

I know they’re a dime a dozen over there. I should have been more clear that I was talking about Europe. My bad.

Not something to be proud of.

This isn't about pride. I am who I am. If I think something, I will say it. I can't stand hypocrisy. I will never pretend to be somebody else, or say things I don't believe in, just to appeal to others.

 

[kz]

I have no qualms declaring that I loathe the French national football team because 90% of it is made of Africans that don't belong there.

Why do they not belong there ? Skin color ? Or did they try to colonialize France years ago and that upset you ?
Do Brazilians belong in Portugal ? Or not ? What about black players on the US team ? Do you think that ancestors of black Englad's players were born in London or some other fine cities ?
Poland had Matty Cash playing defense - very polish sounding name... They also used to have Emanuel Olisadebe play in their national team back in the day, with quite a success.

I have so many questions... You're not racist (even though you really try hard to be and it isn't exactly difficult). You're just so ignorant it hurts (or maybe salty Romania never had even slightest success in soccer ?).

Btw - if Africans are such an advantage in soccer, why did Ghana and Senegal sucked so bad ?

 

[Gregs24]

Why do they not belong there ? Skin color ? Or did they try to colonialize France years ago and that upset you ?
Do Brazilians belong in Portugal ? Or not ? What about black players on the US team ? Do you think that ancestors of black Englad's players were born in London or some other fine cities ?
Poland had Matty Cash playing defense - very polish sounding name... They also used to have Emanuel Olisadebe play in their national team back in the day, with quite a success.

I have so many questions... You're not racist (even though you really try hard to be and it isn't exactly difficult). You're just so ignorant it hurts (or maybe salty Romania never had even slightest success in soccer ?).

Btw - if Africans are such an advantage in soccer, why did Ghana and Senegal sucked so bad ?

Matty Cash has Polish grandparents which makes him eligible to play for Poland.

Standard claim of a racist is that they aren't, but then demonstrate they are

 

[Gregs24]

This isn't about pride. I am who I am. If I think something, I will say it. I can't stand hypocrisy. I will never pretend to be somebody else, or say things I don't believe in, just to appeal to others.

It is all about pride. You pride yourself on your robust support of free speech. However what that really is is an excuse to be able to be as offensive as you like using free speech as a defence. 'You wouldn't mind it in return' is the standard answer of somebody who wants to offend others.

Zinedine Zidane, one of France's greatest players is French born, but with Algerian parents. Is he too African for you or is it only black Africans you don't like? How many generations do black French nationals have to be in the country before it is OK for them to play, or does their skin need to fade a bit first? Maybe a blood test to determine his authenticity as a French person? Honestly your views as expressed above are deeply offensive and archaic.

I though for a while about what you posted and whether to reply - but not bothering and ignoring an ignorant person such as yourself is what has sustained racism for years. So I have drawn a line in the sand about you based on what you have said about yourself today and recently. I do not want to be associated with you in any way as you do not represent my values or those of my friends.

 

[AZlb5.0]

This thread has vastly strayed from its origins. Maybe we can go ahead and close it.

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