GM is pulling back on EVs

[K4fxd]

If you don’t trust the sales figures, just use the registration figures instead. Pretty simple.

When the car switches hands that is a new registration.

Maybe in Aus people are beating down the doors of EV dealers. That is not happening here in the States.

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[RagmopInKona]

When the car switches hands that is a new registration.

Maybe in Aus people are beating down the doors of EV dealers. That is not happening here in the States.

He is Special.

 

[Burkey]

When the car switches hands that is a new registration.

Maybe in Aus people are beating down the doors of EV dealers. That is not happening here in the States.

Are we speaking a different language?

You’re talking about NEW registrations, I’m talking about TOTAL number of registrations.

If there were 1,000,000 cars registered last year and 100,000 of those were EV’s, can we agree that the percentage of EV’s is 10% of all registered vehicles in that scenario?
Next step.
The following year there is also 1,000,000 registrations, but this time 150,000 of them are EV’s. Can we agree that EV’s saw a 50% increase that year?
Can we also agree that there must have been 50,000 new EV sales in that period? If not, can you provide the reasoning as to where those extra 50,000 vehicles came from?

 

[sk47]

Tesla counts every used unit swapping ownership as a new sale when they caculate sales. The numbers are not JUST new units put into service.

cooking the books using a loophole of not putting a model year tied to each unit. So a 6 year old tesla changing ownership gets to be counted as a new production sale.

Hello; The highlighted parts are news to me. I was not aware that no model year is assigned to some BEV's.

The following year there is also 1,000,000 registrations, but this time 150,000 of them are EV’s. Can we agree that EV’s saw a 50% increase that year?

Hello; The potential flaw in your logic is an individual vehicle may change hands a number of times in one year. I have seen such on carfax reports myself. Now I bought both my vehicles new and so far am the only owner so only one registration each in terms of a sale. I had a neighbor who changed vehicles (sold & bought) several times a year.
I do not see how counting registrations can be accurate. There is only one time a vehicle is sold as new. It can change hands many times as used.

However, I do have to obtain a NEW REGISTRATION each and every year along with a tag sticker. So even tho I only bought my car & truck new once each I have bought registrations something like 42 times. Perhaps a different thing which is the main point. Any vehicle is only sold new one time and that should be the only transaction used when counting sales.

 

[jtmat]

Toyota Inks Deal to Mass Produce Solid State EV Batteries With 932-Mile Range​

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Specifically, Idemitsu has been working on developing a new material to go in the batteries, a solid sulfide electrolyte. With the partnership, Toyota aims to combine Idemitsu's material expertise with its own production prowess to make solid-state batteries a reality for consumers. Toyota laid out a three-phase plan toward a goal of commercializing solid-state batteries by 2027-2028. ​

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https://www.pcmag.com/news/toyota-inks-deal-to-mass-produce-solid-state-ev-batteries-with-932-mile​

Stellantis, Samsung SDI To Invest $3.2B In Second Indiana Battery Plant​

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Stellantis and its battery joint venture partner Samsung SDI announced Kokomo, Indiana, as the site for their second battery cell plant in the US.​

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This will be the second StarPlus Energy gigafactory in Kokomo, and it will be built next to the gigafactory currently under construction. The companies' StarPlus Energy joint venture will invest more than $3.2 billion to co-locate the new battery plant with the first one.​

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https://insideevs.com/news/691350/s...3-2-billion-usd-second-indiana-battery-plant/​

Tesla Model 3 Owner Sings Its Praise After Four Years and 100,000 Miles​

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When the 60's rock band Vanilla Fudge bassist Pete Bremy bought his 2019 Tesla Model 3, he wasn't sure if he was going to love it or hate it. Bremy had never owned an electric vehicle and while he was open to the idea of it, he really didn't know what to expect.​

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However, after four years of ownership and more than 100,000 miles on the odometer, Bremy has found he much prefers electric drive over the rumble of the big V8s he owned over the years and says he'll never go back to internal combustion. ​

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https://insideevs.com/features/691470/tesla-model-3-owner-review/​

 

[sk47]

Toyota Inks Deal to Mass Produce Solid State EV Batteries With 932-Mile Range​

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Specifically, Idemitsu has been working on developing a new material to go in the batteries, a solid sulfide electrolyte. With the partnership, Toyota aims to combine Idemitsu's material expertise with its own production prowess to make solid-state batteries a reality for consumers. Toyota laid out a three-phase plan toward a goal of commercializing solid-state batteries by 2027-2028. ​

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https://www.pcmag.com/news/toyota-inks-deal-to-mass-produce-solid-state-ev-batteries-with-932-mile​

Stellantis, Samsung SDI To Invest $3.2B In Second Indiana Battery Plant​

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Stellantis and its battery joint venture partner Samsung SDI announced Kokomo, Indiana, as the site for their second battery cell plant in the US.​

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This will be the second StarPlus Energy gigafactory in Kokomo, and it will be built next to the gigafactory currently under construction. The companies' StarPlus Energy joint venture will invest more than $3.2 billion to co-locate the new battery plant with the first one.​

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https://insideevs.com/news/691350/s...3-2-billion-usd-second-indiana-battery-plant/​

Tesla Model 3 Owner Sings Its Praise After Four Years and 100,000 Miles​

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When the 60's rock band Vanilla Fudge bassist Pete Bremy bought his 2019 Tesla Model 3, he wasn't sure if he was going to love it or hate it. Bremy had never owned an electric vehicle and while he was open to the idea of it, he really didn't know what to expect.​

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However, after four years of ownership and more than 100,000 miles on the odometer, Bremy has found he much prefers electric drive over the rumble of the big V8s he owned over the years and says he'll never go back to internal combustion. ​

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https://insideevs.com/features/691470/tesla-model-3-owner-review/​

Hello; Two more someday articles. A thing could be there are monies to be grabbed from the massive funds made available. These monies or at least portions of it, make a way into the pockets of many even if the venture itself eventually goes bankrupt. Happened during the Covid largess when governments were throwing large amounts of monies around. We keep learning of such.
Already some of these new startup battery, green and EV programs have failed taking taxpayer monies with them. My crystal ball cannot say for sure if these two will fail, nor can it predict success.

Something near 90% of my driving is trips under 200 miles with maybe 70 to 80% under 50 miles. I could make an EV work. I do not doubt the BEV platform works for many should they be able to afford one. Let us know how a BEV works for you. Oh yeah you do not have one, do you??

 

[jtmat]

Let us know how a BEV works for you. Oh yeah you do not have one, do you??

Goodbye; No, I don't have one (like you have never owned a 6g Mustang). Not sure what that has to do with anything. Far as I know very few in this discussion own an BEV.

I won't get one until they can at least do 800 miles on a charge. Yes, that number is downgraded from my 1000 mile requirement.

Depending on where you are driving, 800 miles should be enough for a full day of highway driving. That is around 12 hours of driving. Frankly I would fly if a distance is that far, but that is my requirement.

Far as your other comments, I don't mind. Americans are going to work and paving a way for the future. I know that stings some.

 

[sk47]

Goodbye; No, I don't have one (like you have never owned a 6g Mustang). Not sure what that has to do with anything. Far as I know very few in this discussion own an BEV.

I won't get one until they can at least do 800 miles on a charge. Yes, that number is downgraded from my 1000 mile requirement.

Depending on where you are driving, 800 miles should be enough for a full day of highway driving. That is around 12 hours of driving. Frankly I would fly if a distance is that far, but that is my requirement.

Far as your other comments, I don't mind. Americans are going to work and paving a way for the future. I know that stings some.

Hello; No, I do not own a Mustang currently. I have tried to buy one on a few occasions recently. Fair enough to point this out. I tend to think there is a difference when it comes to the way you champion BEV's. But if my not having a Mustang taints my comments about BEV's then so be it.
I do also see that the other BEV champions active on this thread do not own a BEV. This bit is the lesser of the ironies in your post.
That you are downgrading to an 800 mile range in a BEV is interesting. Neither of my ICE vehicles has such a range with the greater having a range of maybe 660 miles.

If I kept an ICE pickup for doing actual work and towing my boat there are already BEV's with enough range to satisfy my other needs. EV range is lower on the list of problems with BEV's for me currently.

 

[jtmat]

Hello; No, I do not own a Mustang currently. I have tried to buy one on a few occasions recently. Fair enough to point this out. I tend to think there is a difference when it comes to the way you champion BEV's.

Goodbye; That is your failed perception. As noted so many times previously. Your political bias slants the conversation. My posts were of interest to me: 1 was range, 1 was bringing jobs to the GREAT USA, and I thought the last post would be of interest to some members on the forum.

You could have easily ignored my post.

This bit is the lesser of the ironies in your post.

How so? I don't own a lot of things that I comment about. They are called "forums" where people have opinions. My opinion is related to my perceived need and factual life experiences.

As I've noted several times, my current car will more than likely last for at least 4 years. I LOVE this car and hope it lasts for 4 years. After that I may or may not get another car (depending on where I'm living in the world). If I do, it could be an EV.

That you are downgrading to an 800 mile range in a BEV is interesting.

Not that interesting. I recently went on a trip that was 647 miles one-way. I could have driven farther, but as I get older, the "want" or even "need" to do that has expired.

I asked myself do I really need a car that goes 1000 miles? Answer was no. Then I asked what is my maximum need. I came up with 800.

Now, I could be tempted with a car that goes 500 or 600 if the charging speed to full is maybe 15 minutes max.

I don't like stopping when driving and I don't want to sit at a charging station for long periods of time.

All personal to me.

 

[Burkey]

Goodbye; That is your failed perception. As noted so many times previously. Your political bias slants the conversation. My posts were of interest to me: 1 was range, 1 was bringing jobs to the GREAT USA, and I thought the last post would be of interest to some members on the forum.

You could have easily ignored my post.


How so? I don't own a lot of things that I comment about. They are called "forums" where people have opinions. My opinion is related to my perceived need and factual life experiences.

As I've noted several times, my current car will more than likely last for at least 4 years. I LOVE this car and hope it lasts for 4 years. After that I may or may not get another car (depending on where I'm living in the world). If I do, it could be an EV.



Not that interesting. I recently went on a trip that was 647 miles one-way. I could have driven farther, but as I get older, the "want" or even "need" to do that has expired.

I asked myself do I really need a car that goes 1000 miles? Answer was no. Then I asked what is my maximum need. I came up with 800.

Now, I could be tempted with a car that goes 500 or 600 if the charging speed to full is maybe 15 minutes max.

I don't like stopping when driving and I don't want to sit at a charging station for long periods of time.

All personal to me.

I can’t even imagine attempting a 600 mile trip without AT LEAST one 15 minute stop. Even the Mustang requires that I stop at least once every 360(ish) miles for fuel and I can’t remember a time when I filled up, then drove non-stop, until it needed fuel again. It just doesn’t happen. Between toilet breaks, stops for drinks/food or even just to get out of the car and stretch the legs……it’s just not realistic or even safe to spend that length of time behind the wheel without interruption.

 

[jtmat]

I can’t even imagine attempting a 600 mile trip without AT LEAST one 15 minute stop. Even the Mustang requires that I stop at least once every 360(ish) miles for fuel and I can’t remember a time when I filled up, then drove non-stop, until it needed fuel again. It just doesn’t happen. Between toilet breaks, stops for drinks/food or even just to get out of the car and stretch the legs……it’s just not realistic or even safe to spend that length of time behind the wheel without interruption.

You are 100% correct. I'll stop. BUT, I won't stop for an hour while a car charges. I've traveled with people who can't go 200 or 300 miles without stopping for a stretch, and then stopping for bathroom and then again for food. I'm not turning a 7 hour drive into a 9 hour ordeal.

Far as driving non-stop, that is you. What is "safe" for you is fine for others. I do a LOT of monthly traveling (car/plane) and know where my limitations are. Things change as we age so things are constantly changing with my travel routine. I also don't "push" it and listen to my body while traveling.

Am I driving 600 miles without a stop? Heck no. Am I driving 600 miles with several stops to recharge a car for 45 to 90 minutes? Heck no.

I'm normally stopping for a max of 15 minutes to gas up, bathroom break, and food. I'm in and out. I can't do that with an EV at this time. That is my personal requirement, will be different for others.

 

[sk47]

A Tesla owner says his 'heart missed a beat' when he received a $20,000 bill after the battery was damaged by rain (msn.com)
Hello; Not clear in the story what happened to the battery other than rain got into the battery. Did not use the term "flooded".

 

[K4fxd]

https://www.amazon.com/CRC-Disc-Bra...pcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=A11NIQRK77VAVE

GM Delays Start Of EV Truck Production At Michigan Plant Due To Lack Of Demand

Ford can't sell the Lightning either.

BUT BUT BUT EV"s are the future and everyone wants one......

SIGH!!

 

[jtmat]

EV sales jumped 50 percent in Q3—which brands are celebrating?​

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EV sales have grown as price cuts and production increases take effect.​

JONATHAN M. GITLIN - Today at undefined​

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According to Kelly Blue Book, US car buyers bought 313,086 battery EVs between the months of July and September 2023, compared to just 209,030 BEVs for the same three months of last year. Add in the 882 Toyota Mirai hydrogen fuel cell EVs and 68 Hyundai Nexo FCEVs that found homes in Q3 2023 and that's a 50.1 percent increase, year on year.​

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The cumulative totals for all of 2023 so far are also looking healthy. KBB estimates that 873,082 BEVs have been bought this year, versus 586,965 for the first nine months of 2022. Add in about 2,800 FCEVs compared to around 1,000 last year, and clean vehicle sales grew 49 percent, year on year.​

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Lots of little winners​

That increase in supply is reflected in the numbers, with 11 different brands showing triple-digit sales increases when comparing Q3 2023 with Q3 2022, with six additional brands—Brightdrop, Fisker, Lexus, Subaru, Toyota, and Vinfast—each having introduced new BEVs this year.​

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A big loser​

Tesla sold 156,621 cars in Q3 and 493,513 cars in 2023 to date, both of which are more than for the same periods in 2022. However its market share has fallen from 62 percent to 50 percent as other brands begin to find their feet in terms of production.​

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Ford saw a more meager increase of just 13.2 percent, year on year, but with 46,671 EV sales, it is third in overall EV market share (5.3 percent) after Tesla (56.6 percent for the first nine months of 2023) and Chevrolet (5.7 percent).​

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https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/1...t-share-as-ev-adoption-grows-and-prices-fall/​

 

[RagmopInKona]

Goodbye; No, I don't have one (like you have never owned a 6g Mustang). Not sure what that has to do with anything. Far as I know very few in this discussion own an BEV.

I won't get one until they can at least do 800 miles on a charge. Yes, that number is downgraded from my 1000 mile requirement.

Depending on where you are driving, 800 miles should be enough for a full day of highway driving. That is around 12 hours of driving. Frankly I would fly if a distance is that far, but that is my requirement.

Far as your other comments, I don't mind. Americans are going to work and paving a way for the future. I know that stings some.

Well, till you live with one, you're opinion is noted.
The fun part is when you tell those that do, they are wrong.
But then I look at your location, and understand why you are like that, most in D.C. are.

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