GM is pulling back on EVs

[Burkey]

It's like using a chain link fence as a blanket.

More Co2, plants are healthier. Healthy plants produce O2 and higher yields of food.

Do you not realize during the Jurassic era the Planet did just fine.

Interestingly, there were no humans during the Jurassic, nor monoculture crops grown on specified parcels of land and no houses either. Weird right?
I mean, if you want to form a nomadic society that subsists on what is available, feel free…..hippie

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[K4fxd]

Interestingly, there were no humans during the Jurassic,

The argument that humans weren't here doesn't hold water. Humans are capable of adapting to the environment. We live at the equator and some live near the poles.
MANY climate change advocates are buying ocean front property, if it will be underwater soon, why? They sure as heck are not getting this land at a discount.

The Sahara was once a tropical rain forest.

The fact Co2 was so much higher when we weren't here should be all anyone needs to know.

 

[K4fxd]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/fords-ev-war-chest-being-090200453.html

$2.1 billion: Ford’s EV operating losses in 2022. It predicts the loss will be wider this year.

Almost $60,000: Ford’s loss per EV sold in the first quarter of this year

$50 billion: How much Ford intends to spend on its EV business between 2022 and 2026, revised up from $30 billion

 

[Gregs24]

Do you have ANY understanding of just how precious little the GHG’s (in total) make up in our atmosphere? Seems not. Yet somehow, despite the extremely low concentrations, they do a great job of keeping this planet warm. I wonder how it works…..?
Methane occupies about 0.0018% and yet it warms the planet.
Not magic, science.

This has been explained to him over and over again. Too stupid to learn

 

[Burkey]

The argument that humans weren't here doesn't hold water.

It’s not an argument, it’s a FACT. I don’t frankly care how you feel about it.

Humans are capable of adapting to the environment.

Nobody ever said that humans can’t adapt. What they HAVE said is that the COST of that adaptation is grossly more than the cost of simply mitigating the scenario in the first place. You know, science and all that….
If we retrace your earlier critiques of “the green agenda” we see that you were all about saving birds. Have you done any research into how well the birds might adapt?

If you think that “going green” is expensive, you ought to check out the cost of not going green.

Nomadic tribes tend to find the cost to be extremely low, people with homes, farms and assets tend to find it to be rather costly. One of your fellow deniers often craps on about how human population is an issue. I wonder if he spends as much time worrying about the existing population being forced into a smaller land mass once the ocean levels have risen?
Probably not. He probably thinks the oceans aren’t rising.

I note that you had no response to the FACTS surrounding the actual percentage of our atmosphere being occupied by GHG’s. Good chat. Chalk this one up as a loss shall we?

 

[Burkey]

This has been explained to him over and over again. Too stupid to learn

Why educate yourself when you can hold an uneducated opinion?

 

[K4fxd]

Why educate yourself when you can hold an uneducated opinion?

Why believe a fairy tale?

 

[K4fxd]

t’s not an argument, it’s a FACT. I don’t frankly care how you feel about it.

Whats a fact, humans weren't here? or that the Earth did just fine? or that we humans would do just fine if Jurassic era climate was the same as today?

As long as there are not any pesky dinosaurs we will be just fine. LOL

I don't feel about things I think.

 

[GreenVert]

Once most of us are driving electric vehicles, we will consider gas burners so primitive. Maybe not some of the old timers but the mainstream.

 

[K4fxd]

Once most of us are driving electric vehicles, we will consider gas burners so primitive.

I don't think any of are against EV's just the forced nature of the current policies.

When EV's are the better choice for the masses they won't need mandates.

 

[sk47]

Once most of us are driving electric vehicles, we will consider gas burners so primitive. Maybe not some of the old timers but the mainstream.

Hello; Likely true enough far enough into the future. Not because the BEV's will be so much better. More because those of us old timers who have experience and know better will be gone. You are new to the thread in terms of posting so I do not know if you just recently started or have been lurking from the start.

If the main measure of good is the amount of tech in a vehicle I guess the BEV will come out ahead. I read many articles about BEV's. Some are mostly hype and propaganda pieces to paint the BEV in a good light. However there ae now many articles which delve into the problems. Many have been linked in this thread.

But to be fair which vehicle you own should be a personal choice. If you want a BEV such is fine with me. I see in your profile you list a 22 Mustang GT which is also fine and a good choice. Bev's have been around well before 2022 so you made a choice to have the ICE.
A main issue for many of us it that choice is being taken away, not that we care if others have a BEV. This BEV and "green energy" agenda is being forced onto us.

 

[sk47]

When EV's are the better choice for the masses they won't need mandates.

Hello; Aside from the force/mandate policies spurred on by the climate change fear mongering, the other main issue is BEV's simply are not as good as an ICE yet. For some folks a BEV can work as they are assuming the grid can handle the extra load demands. I could make a BEV work as a second or third short trip vehicle. I would need to have an ICE truck to pull my boat and haul things. For long trips a third vehicle (ICE) would be the better choice because of the greater cost of commercial charging over buying gas and the major inconvenience of away from home charging.

 

[sk47]

Those attacks on gas stoves aren't really about health (msn.com)

“But attacks on gas stoves are based on questionable science and are largely driven by concerns not related to health.”

“Two recent studies figure prominently in agency concerns. The first, published in January last year by Eric Lebel and others, found that gas stoves and ovens emit hazardous levels of methane and nitrogen dioxide. The second, published in December last year by Talor Gruenwald and others, estimated that 12.7% of childhood asthma cases in the U.S. were due to gas stove use.”

“Nitrous oxide is produced at combustion temperatures above 2912 F (1,600 C) by breaking down nitrogen molecules in air.”

“The Lebel study measured nitrogen dioxide levels of 100 ppb in kitchens, but this was only possible after sealing the room in plastic — an unrealistic, artificial condition. Other studies have found nitrogen dioxide levels as high as 34 ppb after several hours of stove and oven use. But this level is below the 53 ppb limit of the National Ambient Air Quality Standard of the Environmental Protection Agency. The EPA states that, for nitrogen dioxide levels below 50 ppb, “No health impacts are expected for air quality in this range.””

“Meanwhile, most studies do not find hazardous levels of nitrogen dioxide from stove use.”

“Nevertheless, the Gruenwald study claims that nitrogen dioxide from gas stoves is linked to asthma in children. It used statistical analysis to find an association between stoves and childhood asthma in the U.S. But the study itself states that it reviewed 27 other studies connected to gas stoves, and none reported “associations between gas stove use and childhood asthma.” In addition, the Centers for Disease Control reports that asthma attacks and asthma hospitalizations for U.S. children have been declining since 2001, while U.S. natural gas consumption rose 38% over the same period.”

“Residents of those states pay significantly more in utility bills with electric appliances. For example, in 2020, the average price of residential natural gas in California was $14.14 per million British Thermal Units. For a new 95-percent-efficiency natural-gas furnace or water heater, this translates to a cost of just under $13 per million BTU. California’s 2020 residential electricity price translates to $60.11 per million BTU. Thus, California residents pay more than four times as much to operate electric stoves, water heaters, and electric baseboard heat compared to gas appliances.”

“The bottom line is that banning gas stoves will raise homeowner costs and reduce choices, without creating any tangible improvement in health.”

Hello; Pretty self explanatory.

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Electric vehicles now cost more to fuel than gas-powered cars: Study (washingtonexaminer.com)

 

[Burkey]

Whats a fact, humans weren't here? or that the Earth did just fine? or that we humans would do just fine if Jurassic era climate was the same as today?

As long as there are not any pesky dinosaurs we will be just fine. LOL

I don't feel about things I think.

You said “the argument that humans weren‘t here (during the Jurassic) doesn’t hold water”.
I explained that it wasn’t an “argument” but rather that it was a FACT that humans weren’t there. There is no argument to be had in that respect unless you’re a YEC, in which case, LOL).
What you were trying to argue (badly) was that “Humans would do just fine if Jurassic era climate was here today”.

I‘m here to tell you that if you’re worried about the cost of swapping from fossil fuels to renewables, you‘l literally shit your pants when you get the bill for the changeover cost from todays climate to Jurassic era climate.
In my state alone, we would lose nearly 70% of the landmass. Who is paying for the new homes? Where will the farmers be farming exactly?

See, that’s the thing with dinosaurs, they didn’t have to worry too much about the monetary cost of fires and floods, or replacing their homes, or which areas of land they should use for farming…..they didn’t seem to have too much infrastructure at all….Weird right?

 

[K4fxd]

In my state alone, we would lose nearly 70% of the landmass.

Cool scary statement. Any proof?

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