GM is pulling back on EVs

[K4fxd]

Re-reading your post, it looks like Utah may be accepting the idea that their energy demands will drop when they are no longer selling electricity to California and assess that declining from 1,800 MW to 1,200 MW fits their new demand picture..

They way I read it is they are switching to natural gas so as to continue selling to California.

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[sk47]

They way I read it is they are switching to natural gas so as to continue selling to California.

Hello; Over time, say the last few years, what I recall seeing and reading about is places such as California have been eagerly removing "dirty" power sources within their own borders. Then to make up for the short falls they buy from out of state.
In a sense deciding to drop "dirty" electricity from even out of state coal plants does fit in with the green philosophy. I can give credit for holding to a belief for what such is worth. If you have a code then live up to it sort of thing.
Guess the question will be the outcome. If the outside sources output less actual electric power, will there be enough power??? I know an answer of course. Have rolling blackouts or brown outs. Maybe just go third world and have power only every other day or so.
OH OH, just let those who can pay more have power. Fits in with the way gas/diesel prices have been pushed up to help push the agendas. Those with cash enough can drive and those without do without. That is part of the way they are "upgrading" to green energy and BEV's.

 

[martinjlm]

They way I read it is they are switching to natural gas so as to continue selling to California.

That would make sense. But then if California is using some of the $13B to add renewable energy based power plants that would be a reason to no longer need to buy power from Utah and for Utah to be cool with reducing capacity of the plant that sold a lot of its capacity to California.

California adding 85 GW of power generation by 2035

 

[K4fxd]

That would make sense. But then if California is using some of the $13B to add renewable energy based power plants that would be a reason to no longer need to buy power from Utah and for Utah to be cool with reducing capacity of the plant that sold a lot of its capacity to California.

True, but the fact is the western grids are tied together. Not sure if separating is even possible at this point.

 

[AZlb5.0]

True, but the fact is the western grids are tied together. Not sure if separating is even possible at this point.

I think there’s going to be an exodus from western states to eastern states. They are looking at cutting water supply to all western states. This will impact home building and current population numbers. This affect Montana south to NM and everything west of that line. So to be honest I’m the next 20-25 yrs I don’t foresee the western US as populated as it is now. It doesn’t help that California dumps majority of its rain water in the ocean. This could help matters out but the powers that be are choosing to maintain that state in a drought conditions affecting every other western state and their ability to access fresh water.

 

[K4fxd]

California dumps majority of its rain water in the ocean. This could help matters out but the powers that be are choosing to maintain that state in a drought conditions affecting every other western state and their ability to access fresh water.

They want to tap into the Mississippi river but won't build reservoirs. All the snow they got this year if collected would feed Ca water for several years.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

The nannies and do gooders are “gettin“ busy. It must be tough to wake up and realize that you have the weight of the world on your shoulders.

https://news.yahoo.com/states-and-t...d-leaf-blowers-and-lawn-mowers-155805411.html

 

[sk47]

The nannies and do gooders are “gettin“ busy. It must be tough to wake up and realize that you have the weight of the world on your shoulders.

https://news.yahoo.com/states-and-t...d-leaf-blowers-and-lawn-mowers-155805411.html

Hello; There is an idealized view of what things ought to be like. Environmental and social. I went thru something of the sort back in the 1970's. My particular windmill was overpopulation and i tilted at it. Only two points I will mention. One is people for the most part did not sign on. The other is ZPG did not happen, the human population has increased tremendously. I still sometimes wonder what the state of the environment might be today if we had stabilized the population at maybe half what it is today. Oh well, I /we did not try to force our ideas onto others. Tried to educate and use logic. People just did not buy into the ideas of the time.

I am getting older and find the last year or so push mowing my yard is becoming more difficult. I can still do it and figure the exercise is a good thing. Here is what i find when seraching for an electric lawn mower. The cost is roughly twice as much to purchase over an ICE. Seems to be similar for push or riding. No rebates I know of for electric mowers, so I guess the difference is the basic higher build cost of the equipment.
One sneaky rider ad touted considerable run time. Read the smaller print. Turned out to get the maximum I woud have to buy two additional battery packs. Mower comes with four but will hold two more. Another few hundred dollars on top of the already higher price.

I can see how not buying gas could be an advantage in operating cost. If the batteries last long enough before having to be replaced might help mitigate the high initial cost. I just do not know how to figure any possible cost analysis. I digress and drift into foolishness. Here is an old truism, i think. If the battery lawn tools are indeed better overall in value and performance, they will win over users on their own merit.

I know it is not apples to apples, but I have a Li-battery circular saw and some plug-in circular saws. I like the battery saw as it has no chord. It is weak and runs down to fast. I have two batteries, but even so can discharge the second battery long before the first can recharge. di I mention it is weak and only good for light work?? When i need to do some regular cutting I drag out the extension chords.

 

[AZlb5.0]

The nannies and do gooders are “gettin“ busy. It must be tough to wake up and realize that you have the weight of the world on your shoulders.

https://news.yahoo.com/states-and-t...d-leaf-blowers-and-lawn-mowers-155805411.html

Seriously? Because they have nothing better to do.

 

[K4fxd]

What really makes me shake my head is the atmosphere is cleaner today than it was in 1830 to 1970. Due to all the people burning coal and wood for heat and cooking with no scrubbers, along with cars and trucks with no emission controls.

The policies of today if implemented will cause people to go back to coal and wood to heat our homes, possibly to cook our food. Not many will be able to absorb a 1000 dollar a month electric bill.

Don't be fooled. The amount of dollars spent daily on gasoline and diesel will be incorporated into our electric bills.

 

[AZlb5.0]

What really makes me shake my head is the atmosphere is cleaner today than it was in 1830 to 1970. Due to all the people burning coal and wood for heat and cooking with no scrubbers, along with cars and trucks with no emission controls.

The policies of today if implemented will cause people to go back to coal and wood to heat our homes, possibly to cook our food. Not many will be able to absorb a 1000 dollar a month electric bill.

Don't be fooled. The amount of dollars spent daily on gasoline and diesel will be incorporated into our electric bills.

I posted something about this a bit back. That poor people will ultimately will use any means possible to survive. It’s inevitable.

 

[sk47]

I posted something about this a bit back. That poor people will ultimately will use any means possible to survive. It’s inevitable.

Hello; The slash and burn in the Amazon basin is a strong clue. Even last winter in one or a few of the European countries they cut lots of fire wood.

 

[sk47]

What Earth was like last time CO2 levels were so crazily high (msn.com)

“Humanity is currently on track to warm Earth to Pliocene-like temperatures by century’s end — unless nations ambitiously slash carbon emissions in the coming decades. Sea levels, of course, won’t instantly rise by tens of feet: Miles-thick ice sheets take many centuries to thousands of years to melt. But, critically, humanity is already setting the stage for a relatively quick return to Pliocene climes, or climes at least significantly warmer than now.”

“Some of the human-driven changes happening on Earth today won’t be reversed for centuries or thousands of years. In large part, that’s because civilization continues to deposit prodigious loads of carbon into the atmosphere each year, and all these heat-trapping gases won’t magically vanish from the air, even if we instantly stop adding carbon to the atmosphere.”

Hello; This was briefly discussed in this thread a while back. Lingering long term effects of Co2 already in the atmosphere has been the story for a lot of years. One of the champions took exception claiming it is foolish to not try to reduce Co2 just because it will not change things for a long time.

A sentence in a link posted back then from a NASA person triggered a thought for me. That thought being before long the story may be changed over to something like – Yes big Co2 reductions will start to reduce warming sooner. Seems NASA is to review the satellite data soon sort of thing. Before such a notion gets dumped on, I admit my notion is just speculation.

“Earth’s CO2 levels have always naturally wavered. Humans didn’t exist (and wouldn’t exist for millions of years) during the Pliocene — though our hirsute primate ancestors were already walking around Africa at the time.”

Hello; The timeline for early humans keeps getting pushed back with new fossil discoveries. Even if not modern type humans there were our ancestors with similar physiology to us did survive in that time period.

“Long before the Pliocene, CO2 levels were extremely elevated during the age of the dinosaurs (which ended 65 million years ago), perhaps at some 2,000 to 4,000 ppm. Tremendous CO2 emissions, from incessant and extreme volcanism, heated Earth and allowed dinosaurs to roam a sultry Antarctic. But over millions of years, Earth’s natural processes (specifically the slow, grinding, but potent process of rocks absorbing CO2 from the atmosphere, dubbed "the rock thermostat") gradually reduced CO2 levels to some 400 ppm during the Pliocene. (We know this because there are indirect, though reliable, ways to gauge Earth’s CO2 levels from millions of years ago, including the chemical make-up of long-dead plankton and the evidence stored in the breathing cells, or stomata, of ancient plants.)”

“After the Pliocene, Earth continued to pull CO2 from the air, finally settling CO2 levels between some 200 to 280 ppm during the more recent ice ages, when mammoths, mastodons, and giant sloths dominated a cooler Earth, and humans eventually appeared”

Hello; Two things have already been mentioned in this thread. One is how ocean creatures which made shells with carbon as part of the shells led to the massive limestone/karst formations. My home rests on such a formation from an ancient shallow sea. Also lots of caves and sink holes around me.

The other has been mentioned but only embraced by folks with a view point such as mine. That being our “evil” carbon emissions may have staved off a new ice age for a while. Seems a basically OK thing at a basic level. Not sure how bad the warming might become, but have a notion of what an ice age would do to a massive human population. One obvious thing would be our productive farmland under ice sheets. Again speculation, but based on known history.

 

[sk47]

Facing brutal climate math, US bets billions on direct air capture (msn.com)

Hello; The bet uses money the US does not have and will add to the national debt for one thing. Another is the need for lots of energy to run the capture process. Do we not already have claims on future energy for things such as EV's??? Wonder who will be left out?

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

More nannies; its for our own good. You will eat plants and like it.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...0230417-xriitsuqezdctheklf3tqyhwxm-story.html

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