Getting a GT350 at MSRP

[mustang_lurkers]

I grow tired of dealerships crying about cars that they sell under MSRP and they need MSRP sometimes to make up the difference. Cry when you sell a car for less than invoice often. The profit on a GT350 at MSRP will be several thousand dollars and the car will sell itself. The salesman will not have to even work. Just cut the salesman out of the deal and keep the commission for added dealer profit. Hey how about next time when I trade a car in I try to add my own ADM amount???? People are so impatient and foolish with their money. If people were smarter with money there wouldn't be an ADM. The guy who paid 2k extra on a GT could have negotiated, asked for a dealer transfer or at worst ordered one form another dealer and wait 8 weeks for one at MSRP or less. He could have had the car and a nice sized flat screen TV. 8 weeks will pass buy quickly and that 2k will still be gone.

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[activeGT]

If people were smarter with money there wouldn't be an ADM. The guy who paid 2k extra on a GT could have negotiated, asked for a dealer transfer or at worst ordered one form another dealer and wait 8 weeks for one at MSRP or less. He could have had the car and a nice sized flat screen TV. 8 weeks will pass buy quickly and that 2k will still be gone.

I have a nice flat screen. I wanted it that day. Instant gratification is good!

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

Defending the dealers with an ADM.

I paid $2k more than I KNEW I should have for my new GT. But it was the only one in town with my colors and options and I wanted it RIGHT NOW.

So when I sell it and take the $2k it isn't the dirty dealer's fault. It is mine.

I look at it this way: The dealer getting $5k over MSRP is making a smart business decision since he will profit in the long run at, say, a $10k profit. But if he loses the cheap-skate who wants to pay $1k over dealer cost because it is "fair" he didn't lose a nickel unless cheap-skate is going to buy 10 more cars from him in the next few years. Does he care if "Mr. I want it for cost" boycotts his dealership? I doubt it. Sorry if this offends anyone here.

I do NOT agree, and also I am not offended as we ALL on here, have our own opinions. I have called many dealers to ask about the ADM's they can or will try to get away with, and what I have been getting is; its..."to early to tell" Well, as some have posted about not doing future business with those that charge an ADM. This holds true for me. Yes its true they have every right to charge them, and it may not be immoral, or illegal, but it is poor business, and a uneducated business model to follow. a) If we are talking about a few
cars they will get, say 3-4 in the 2016 year, then lets say they avg 5K ADM on each car, but yet alienated 25-35 new prospects (buyers) in the process, that will not do business with them. We have established that trading in used cars is the stable of any car dealership (none could survive on new cars sells alone) look at the business they have loss. For most customers will travel 60 miles to save $500 dollars. Most dealers can not afford to loss this kind of business and struggle to survive. b) They get 6-10 cars a month (or more) and using the same model, by the time the cars drop the people are looking at everywhere but the dealers they called any tried to screw them. The moral of this story is;:clap2: sell at MSRP and sell out quickly, or be like the idiots that are still holding on to the left over Z-28's

 

[Rated R]

I have a nice flat screen. I wanted it that day. Instant gratification is good!

Everything has an opportunity cost. If you feel good about it then that's all that matters.

 

[activeGT]

The moral of this story is;:clap2: sell at MSRP and sell out quickly, or be like the idiots that are still holding on to the left over Z-28's

To be straight, I am not paying an ADM or even MSRP nor would I consider it. But I am planning in advance. The GT was bought on a whim one Saturday when I was going to look at a Z28. I just happened across the Ford dealer first.

I still can't fault any business for attempting to maximize profit.

 

[dude]

Here in Southern California, I saw a lot 2014 SVT Raptors with ridiculous markups, and they are trying to sell them until now. There are at least 20-30 of them in my vicinity and they are still sitting.

I refuse to even pay at MSRP. It's the principle of the matter. This is not a Ford GT we are talking about.

 

[SVTFreak]

I still can't fault any business for attempting to maximize profit.

I agree. But some people think they should get everything for free and the evil big business are hurting them and should give all their profits away and not make any money.

 

[mustang_lurkers]

Let's get back on topic with this thread. Who is trying to get a GT350 at MSRP? What has been your strategy and what have been your results so far? I am locked in for one at MSRP but it was not easy. I had to contact more than 10 dealerships and several asked for 5k or 10k adm.

 

[speedrx]

Guys, this is a free market economy, people are free to ask whatever they want for a product, you are free to choose to purchase or not. People do this all the time - I have seen many people post a price on a property, it is in a hot area, lots of people want it and offer over list price. Everyone says great job to the seller, you got more than than list price. You don't see the seller saying no to the offers over list, they just take the highest one.

Dealers only get over list when there is more demand than supply and someone steps up to pay it. I have never paid even MRSP, much less over but I guess there could be a car at some point that would be desirable enough for me to do it. If no one pays over MSRP, no one will charge for it.

Free market at work!

 

[Cruzinaround]

Again...Dealers are dinosaurs. They are no longer needed in today's economy... In fact they weren't necessary back in the day either...they were convenient but, certainly not necessary. Our free market economy in a technically FREE world would also allow for people to purchase things at a fair price everywhere they went directly from the source. ...

Basically what you're defending by being pro ADM is a situation where a dealer is simply selling you something by all logical reasoning...second hand. That's right second hand. hey buy it first and flip it. But technically those dealerships are middle men we do not need to be there. And the Manufacturers stand to make more volume sales and in the long term more money by eliminating them.

Its the same practice that enables drug dealers to jack up the price on their product to sell to the people who are hooked on what they're peddling. Yes its a really simplfied analogy, but it is strikingly similar to how dealerships obtain their product....then increase the prices before releasing it to the public.

But...the biggest difference is the Automobile Manufacturers actually set a price that they would sell the product at... a price that we would be able to obtain that vehicle at if the middleman was taken out of the equation.

BUT.... because 60 year old laws that were enacted to prevent the manufacturers from seeding the dealerships during poor economic times to shelter themselves from economic depression ....the Manufacturers are now hobbled in our modern times from being able to sell directly to the people who want their product. These laws are antiquated in our times and some revision is necessary to remove them and make the middleman go away.

Using an example of legalizing Marijuana.... if this was done then the taxes collected would benefit the people and the people would be able to buy the product they want. Using this solution also applies towards dealerships. If the people were able to buy directly ... as they can when purchasing a Tesla.... then simply put the need for a dealership is no longer necessary. They then become relegated to order takers and operate on a level of a distributor. Sort of like how we can buy beer today. You go in...find what you want and buy it...the prices are the same everywhere you go and the incentives and discounts apply national or even globally. By eliminating the Middleman you simply get rid of all the parts of the equation where the criminal element proliferates.

To all the GM's and salesmen and dealers that come here and promote that ADM's are their right to apply ...you do simply shoot yourself in the foot and promote that criminal element that is essentially what a dealer really is. And if you come here claiming that you don't charge more than MSRP on a newer release and yet will only sell to people in your local area... well you have a right to do that too...while you still can, simply because these are your cars to sell to whomever you want when you want for whatever you want.... still does not put you in a good light to come on a globally visible forum and gloat about it while promoting that all other should apply ADM's. Especially on a thread where the people who are coming here are looking for options where they can obtain a vehicle of choice for MSRP or less from anywhere in this country.

There is a criminal element to the dealership model. Its one that can be easily remedied by converting them into a distributorship model and relegating the GMs to a shop stewards with sales people as the simplest of order takers and information givers who actually know their product.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Let's get back on topic with this thread. Who is trying to get a GT350 at MSRP? What has been your strategy and what have been your results so far? I am locked in for one at MSRP but it was not easy. I had to contact more than 10 dealerships and several asked for 5k or 10k adm.

I'm surprised they would commit to locking into something without the most important factors available....Like pricing and options... I'm on your side buddy.... I hope the dealer doesn't screw you when the time gets closer???? From all the input we've been seeing here from people who favor the dealership's and the right to screw the buyer.... it seems we have a lot of peeps here who simply don't care about their fellow buyer.... and are simply into this either for themselves because they have no sense for fairness and value or for their own stealerships and personal gain.

 

[activeGT]

I would give you my opinion on your statement, which is true, but we can't talk politics here! ;)

I agree. But some people think they should get everything for free and the evil big business are hurting them and should give all their profits away and not make any money.

 

[Cruzinaround]

To be straight, I am not paying an ADM or even MSRP nor would I consider it. But I am planning in advance. The GT was bought on a whim one Saturday when I was going to look at a Z28. I just happened across the Ford dealer first.

I still can't fault any business for attempting to maximize profit.

Its almost certain that if FoMoCo opened a Distributorship right across town from a top tier dealership that lived by the code of ADMs.....that dealership would be forced to adjust their prices down to MSRP or below or simply go out of business, because if given the choice of buying directly from Ford or buying from a Dealership....

People would choose to buy directly from FORD.

 

[activeGT]

To paragraph one: Does a Ford never need service? Or should we now take our cars to Sears Service Centers since there would be no dealers in your world? Also, most trade a car in. No dealer? Who takes the trade?

The last paragraph....there is a criminal element to a car dealer? Wow. Then you must believe there is a criminal element to every business in the United States of America that makes a profit, correct? The profit on a car is a goose egg compared to liquor. How about the new Apple phone? There is criminal.... Shall I go on? How about your mobile phone service? Direct TV?

Again...Dealers are dinosaurs. They are no longer needed in today's economy... In fact they weren't necessary back in the day either...they were convenient but, certainly not necessary.


There is a criminal element to the dealership model. Its one that can be easily remedied by converting them into a distributorship model and relegating the GMs to a shop stewards with sales people as the simplest of order takers and information givers who actually know their product.

 

[Cruzinaround]

To paragraph one: Does a Ford never need service? Or should we now take our cars to Sears Service Centers since there would be no dealers in your world? Also, most trade a car in. No dealer? Who takes the trade?

The last paragraph....there is a criminal element to a car dealer? Wow. THen you must believe there is a criminal element to every business in the United States of America that makes a profit, correct? The profit on a car is a goose egg compared to liquor. How about the new Apple phone? There is criminal.... Shall I go on? How about your mobile phone service? Direct TV?

Yes Ford's need service and Authorized Service centers do not require a dealership linked to them in order to stand on their own.

Not really... not every place you purchase what you want would be through a middleman... it would be Either direct online which is how our world has evolved or by visiting a distributor. Thus the inclination for anything that is on the borderline of poor ethically or morally is simply not a part of the equation.

When the profit is already nested in the Suggested pricing.... then anything above it simply hovers in the area of criminal. You're doing what most businesses that provide a service can be prosecuted for called "OVER BILLING"...yup its a crime.

Like most respectable businesses .... where we live.... over-billing is frowned upon.... Which leaves all the businesses that do practice ...."Over-billing" mucking it up for the rest of them that don't.

Please do try and go on about our mobile phones...try to include how the FCC is now forcing AT&T and Now VERIZON to refund for Over billing for services nobody wanted or ordered....Ooops .... wait a minute......isn't that what we're calling ADM's here.

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