RocketGuy3
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Lord I can't wait until we rid the world of stealerships. This topic should not exist. Getting a new car from the manufacturer at frickin MSRP should not even be a question.
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I think getting the GT350 at MSRP will be a challenge but not too difficult. Getting an R at MSRP will be much tougher. I think the GT350 would do fine for you as a track car as a hobby. I don't think the additional cost the R will bring is worth the fraction of a second performance gain it would give you at the track. I wish you good luck either way though. I am getting excited about hearing the MSRP and performance numbers.
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It's not the dealerships yo need to be mad at. It's the people who pay the ADM, whether it's because they have the money to and dont mind, or it's just the flat out dum customers who don't do any research when buying a car. Because of these people dealerships think they can charge everyone ADM. If you stick to your guns you can/will find a car at MSRP. Look at the LE's, the ADM's on these things are starting to come down and soon you will be able to find many with no ADM's. I think you are mad at the wrong people...IMHO tho!!!
Plus, if you can ask for a car at invoice, why can't they ask for an ADM???
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I respectfully disagree. It's the dealer who charges more, so it's his fault.
You would then praise that the free market allows such behavior, and that is good.
Again, I disagree, as a consumer I find extremely time-wasting to have to find, discuss and potentially purchase or turn-down a purchase.
I would like a fixed price from the manufacturer or, maybe closer to a free market, an online shopping from the dealers where they publish their REAL prices all-inclusive and detailed, without having to spend hours to go through the ridiculous ladder of their salespeople.
Wouldn't that be great if we can buy cars like other items we buy online? if your prices or add-on services are competitive you will flourish, if not..you'll go out of market soon...
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You can shop just like online, if you pay the asking price it's an incredibly simple straight forward process. It's actually the negotiating that makes the process long, drawn out, and complicated sometimes. If you don't want to pay the asking price just make an offer.
This. Also at the end of the day don't you want the dealership to do everything they can for you. Don't you think if they didn't make a profit at the end of the day things like free loaner cars, free roadside assistance, being available to answer all your questions for free, or do anything else for you has to be paid for in some way ? Imo it seems like a lot of people who openly complain about ADM's aren't going to purchase either way, and just seem to like to complain sometimes. And this is in no way shape or form directed at you merely a general observation. AS you stated though I do find it 100% true that if you are willing to be patient you will be able to get these cars without or with a very minimal ADM, if you are patient.
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Its both their faults. The opportunistic salesman never turns away the client who seeks instant gratification. That end cost is determined by Greed on the Seller's part and a quick endorphin fueled High on the buyer's part.
Also MSRP should make everyone happy.
Also MSRP should make everyone happy.
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The whole point of this thread is about getting one at MSRP which I think we can mostly all agree is fair for the Base GT350... My personal opinion on ADM's is that not only will that dealer not get me as a customer for a GT350, (not that they would care) but they will also never get me as a customer for any vehicle no matter how good the deal may be. I just want it to be fair for both sides and charging an ADM shows me nothing but greed.
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I can't tell you how glad I am that my discussions only went so far with a representative of Bowen-Scarff Ford in Kent, WA.
our first one is already sold at $7500 over
as far as getting upset about demand calling for over msrp, it's the same thing as some vehicles bringing below msrp.
I'm willing to guess that just about every person that gets upset that dealers want more than msrp for the gt350, have walked into a dealership at one point or another and asked for less than msrp on a vehicle........
as far as getting upset about demand calling for over msrp, it's the same thing as some vehicles bringing below msrp.
I'm willing to guess that just about every person that gets upset that dealers want more than msrp for the gt350, have walked into a dealership at one point or another and asked for less than msrp on a vehicle........
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So what? When we know what MSRP is we also know there is a margin between that and your actual invoice. There is some justification in asking for a lower price since the high and low are a given...
What you're bragging about is taking advantage of others. Basically Stealing from a baby.
If that deal sets the tone for the rest of us.... You should be standing in the lake all by yourself. Also putting it nicely.
Your taking it the wrong way. That's not what I'm saying.
In a perfect world, like every other single product consumers buy, there would be a price on the window, and people pay that price, period.
What does it matter if there is a difference between invoice and msrp? The msrp is the price. When you go to the grocer to buy a gallon of milk. You don't negotiate the price
When you go to fill up a gallon of gas, you don't negotiate the price, when you buy a shirt, when you pay for college, when you buy a piece of lumber at lowes, etc.....
Why should a car price then be negotiated? Because that's what people are conditioned to do.
I guarantee you, that if you were a customer of a dealership, that paid msrp for every vehicle that you had purchased from them, you would get a gt350 at msrp as well.
It's no different than a classic car, where the values go up and down. That mustang you bought in 67 has seen values go up and down, up and down from way low to way high.
A vehicle brings what the market dictates. Not to say you won't find one at msrp, you very well may. But a lot of the initials will go to those who want it and will pay more for it.
I just bought a gun 2 weeks ago, that I really really wanted. My local gun guy will work with me on price. This one wasn't there, but I really wanted it. I paid what the shop wanted. I saw them online for $50, $75, $100 less, but, do you get it, having to have it shipped in, dealing with that. Or paying more for it and having it now. I wanted it now and paid for it.
It's not dealers being "greedy", it's doing what the market brings.
I have watched cars get traded for that sat on the lot a while and go for thousands less than what they were traded for.
On average, the margin on cars, is smaller than about every other business out there.
I think our average profit is 2.4%. Very small on average compared to milk, clothes, etc...
People get upset because it's a larger dollar amount, but if you saw some of the margins made on other products, those are the ones you should be furious at. Not the dealers.
A good deal is a state of mind. The people you make more $$ on in general are way nicer, way easier to deal with, and way happier when they leave. They just are.
I'm an easy sell. I love cars, I have had 78 different cars in the last 11 years, I love em, but I get bored easy.
At the end of the day, as long as you have what you want, and your enjoying it, that's all that matters.
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