Gapless rings

[silverbullet85]

It is stupid to have a machine shop prep your block. It’s the same price to purchase a new one.
anyone building a stock or close to stock coyote is a fool. You can get a new shortblock for $1800-$1900. You guy’s really don’t know what you are talking about. You sound like the kind of person that pays other peopleto do everything and then talk about your build that someone else built

More than likely the tolerances on block that a good well known shop preps would be way better as far as bores being center and the knowledge that all is good. A while back people were having issues with ford racing short blocks having poor machine work so just cause the block is new doesn't mean the machine work is done to a high level

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[Jackson1320]

If gapless was so great every manufacture in the world would be using it. But they don't. The wear is unusual, The wear is accelerated (definitely not a street ring), the two piece top ring one of ring usually get distorted which leads to my second point. Sure it'll take a little longer to leak down, or if you're run 100% alcohol/methanol and is for strictly a race engine by all means go for it. I won't. But you can.

If gapless was so great every manufacture in the world would be using it.

I can’t even explain how dumb this comment is. Rings like other parts are contracted to whoever can make them to spec the cheapest. There are much better ring materials available than what is used in oem rings but manufacturers don’t use them because they don’t need them for the intended purposes and they are much more expensive. Has nothing to do with how good they are. I would like to discuss this with you but it’s obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. Like a parakeet just repeating whatever nonsense you hear. You just live your life as just another sheep. You have no business even talking with us wolves . In the words of the Rock “ know your roll and shut your mouth” sheep!

 

[Jackson1320]

More than likely the tolerances on block that a good well known shop preps would be way better as far as bores being center and the knowledge that all is good. A while back people were having issues with ford racing short blocks having poor machine work so just cause the block is new doesn't mean the machine work is done to a high level

You obviously have not bought a Ford block in a while. But I will agree that a top level machine shop can no doubt do a excellent job. But anyone building a engine needs to know how to check these. Assuming someone else did it correctly would be foolish. Also a lot more built engines blow up at the track than stock ones running the same combination

 

[WildHorse]

I can’t even explain how dumb this comment is. Rings like other parts are contracted to whoever can make them to spec the cheapest. There are much better ring materials available than what is used in oem rings but manufacturers don’t use them because they don’t need them for the intended purposes and they are much more expensive. Has nothing to do with how good they are. I would like to discuss this with you but it’s obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. Like a parakeet just repeating whatever nonsense you hear. You just live your life as just another sheep. You have no business even talking with us wolves . In the words of the Rock “ know your roll and shut your mouth” sheep!

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[NASteve]

I don’t understand what you mean. Gapless rings will work just fine in a modular engine. Almost every piston manufacturer uses a ring pack that is different than the standard rings. Seams like you are just giving your opinion but don’t actually have any experience

Really? no experience? How many machine shops have you been in? How many modulars have you built? Gapless rings don't work because the machining on the late model engines and machining today period is much better than what it was when gapless rings came out. Instead of gapless rings we use thinner rings with less tension to make up for whatever gains but someone like you doesn't understand that. Probably don't know at what point you cannot go thinner without a vacuum pump or a dry sump because the rings just don't seal. Keep buying that snake oil crap.

 

[WildHorse]

How many modulars have you built?

Oh according to him 100's.. And they all use 5/32nd cast iron rings for superior sealing

 

[NASteve]

Oh according to him 100's.. And they all use 5/32nd cast iron rings for superior sealing

Ah hahahaha 5/32" haven't used that crap since the 70's, even pro stock in the 70's was around .040" ring thickness. If I'm mistaken the high dollar N/A dry sump engines are around .5mm-.6mm, maybe slightly thicker but not much, I know for sure .7mm.

 

[Bluelightning]

Thought he used H squared

He switched to TKM for his latest. I think he's trying to keep from blowing up motors every couple of passes.

 

[Red65]

You obviously have not bought a Ford block in a while. But I will agree that a top level machine shop can no doubt do a excellent job. But anyone building a engine needs to know how to check these. Assuming someone else did it correctly would be foolish. Also a lot more built engines blow up at the track than stock ones running the same combination

If you think mass produced blocks have better tolerances and machining than one gone over at a shop worth its salt, you're a fool. It's simple math; high volume manufacturers don't have the time to dedicate themselves to each and every single piece in the same capacity of an engine shop that puts 10+ hours of work towards inspection, machine work, prep, and assembly into each engine. If high volume manufacturers did this, cars like a base mustang GT would probably cost $60,000 and up.

It comes down to very simple things like attaching a torque plate to the deck of the block when boring and honing. Any decent shop will do that and it makes a world of difference. Some manufacturers use these techniques but it's usually reserved for high-end cars and not your common dealership stock.

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