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[TiE2000]

New Product Development:
[FONT=&quot]Full-Race 3” Cat-Back Exhaust System[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Full-Race ProStock FMIC (Charge-Air-Cooler)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Full-Race ProStock Charge Piping Kit
[/FONT]Full-Race ProStock [FONT=&quot]Cold[/FONT] Air Intake and Airbox
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Full-Race ProStock Downpipe (off-road use only)
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Full-Race Air-to-Oil Oil cooler (thermostat controlled)[/FONT]

I don't plan on upgrading the turbo for some time, but I'm very interested in your catback and charge piping kit.
do you have any dyno results with each of the parts? Together? Sound vids if possible.

EDIT: how low of a drop is that? Coilover? or just springs? who?

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[cosmo]

I'd be interested in a bolt-on turbo if you guys sold it. Is that something you guys are looking to package or was this vehicle more of an extravagant showing and not made for a purpose of showing what you guys are making? I'm mainly asking because the turbo looks to have changed positions relative to the stock turbo, so I'm guessing you guys have a different design than the "swan neck" turbine inlet that is on the stock turbo.

 

[Full-Race Geoff]

yes, the Full-Race EcoBoost Mustang products will all be put into production over the next 6 months. 3" CatBack exhaust and turbo kit included as well as everything else on that list. If you are familiar with any of our other products, turbo kits, exhausts, etc - this is designed to be a bolt-on turbo upgrade kit. Using a purpose built "twinscroll" manifold - the kit is intended for BorgWarner EFR turbos and can fit turbos up to EFR9180 (67.7mm and 95lb/min maximum size). This design will replace all aspects of the stock turbo and it's integrated exhaust manifold configuration, which are limited due to the oem reverse rotation small dia twinscroll confguration. We shipped the first one to chip foose for their SEMA car and it was installed in 1day (their first time doing this type of turbo upgrade)


TiE2000 - we are using some Penske Coilover adjustable dampers, with camber plates and adjustable lower seats/swaybar mounts. This is a high-end road racing susp, not a typical 'street car' setup (unless you're very serious about chassis setup like we are)

 

[cosmo]

yes, the Full-Race EcoBoost Mustang CatBack exhaust and turbo kit (As well as everything else on that list) will all be put into production over the next 6 months. Just like any of our other products, turbo kits, exhausts, etc - this is designed to be a bolt-on turbo upgrade kit. Using a purpose built "twinscroll" manifold - the kit is intended for BorgWarner EFR turbos and can fit turbos up to EFR9180. This design will replace all aspects of the stock turbo and it's integrated exhaust manifold configuration, which are limited due to the oem reverse rotation small dia twinscroll confguration.

Interesting, I would be interested in seeing how you guys accomplish that. When you mention that you replaced all aspects of the integrated exhaust manifold configuration, does that mean that you replace the head? I'm not sure how else you can replace the integrated exhaust manifold, unless you have some sort of adapter that allows the flow to come straight out of the IEM into the turbo instead of through that odd neck that they use.

 

[Full-Race Geoff]

They make nice stuff. There was a lot of hype about the EB F150 they had at SEMA last year, but afterwards never posed real dyno numbers, no track times, and all the talk died out. If like to see this actually go to the track and put down a dyno number on video.

our FreakoBoost F150 on 91 octane pump gas - 507whp with twin BorgWarner EFR6258 turbos: http://websta.me/p/843645018641462057_324897491
this is on stock fuel system (no water/meth), and BW's low boost actuators. that is the record currently for the F150 community on stock fuel system, by a decent margin

 

[Full-Race Geoff]

our turbo kit bolts on to the OEM engine. An afternoon project. No big deal to return the car back to stock or vice versa.

The engine and cyl head are 100% stock, do not change. Yes, it's a unique and interesting cyl head which has very little in common with traditional single port Integrated-exhaust manifolds... or any cyl head ive ever seen. There is a manifold integrated on this engine, but they crammed it all into the volute on the OEM turbo to keep it compact and small... its not integrated into the engine, its integrated into the turbo. that is a big differentiation for a turbo guy like me... all i can say is please be patient for now! much more to come in the next few months, this is a marathon not a sprint.

 

[cosmo]

our turbo kit bolts on to the OEM engine. An afternoon project. No big deal to return the car back to stock or vice versa.

The engine and cyl head are 100% stock, do not change. Yes, it's a unique and interesting cyl head which has very little in common with traditional single port Integrated-exhaust manifolds... or any cyl head ive ever seen. There is a manifold integrated on this engine, but they crammed it all into the volute on the OEM turbo to keep it compact and small... its not integrated into the engine, its integrated into the turbo. that is a big differentiation for a turbo guy like me... all i can say is please be patient for now! much more to come in the next few months, this is a marathon not a sprint.

Awesome! I'm looking forward to it. One of my biggest issues was dealing with that IEM and how to upgrade the turbos. There are limited options for the Focus ST, but I hadn't seen anyone taking on the EB mustang.

 

[Full-Race Geoff]

we've got the Focus ST and Fusion EcoBoost figured out too - that kit gets released this week

 

[Billy1]

Thanks for posting Full-Race Geoff. I'll be following this thread closely as I may have my "11 sec. fully streetable 30 mpg highway" Ecoboost Mustang sooner than I think!

 

[H1 GT]

Awesome!!! Would it ever be possible to see some clearance pictures of those front wheels? From everything I've been told 9-9.5" is the max up front, but 10" is awesome!

And I guess just wheels in general, any modifications to fit such meats? What offsets, perhaps?

 

[Full-Race Geoff]

Thanks for posting Full-Race Geoff. I'll be following this thread closely as I may have my "11 sec. fully streetable 30 mpg highway" Ecoboost Mustang sooner than I think!

V8 Mustang's will always have their place - but modified EcoBoost engines are a different way of making efficient power... and it happens to work pretty damn well. this is the future of high performance that I envision

If the drivetrain will hold together that would be a high 9sec low 10sec EB on proper drag tires

aside from a clutch upgrade for drag racing (or auto trans upgrade) - Im not the least bit concerned. Ecoboost Mustang drivetrain is remarkably stout and the trans/rear diff carries over to the V8 GT offerings. It will not break a sweat at the power levels most upgraded turbo enthusiasts will target. We usually work on IRS pumpkins from nissans, toyotas, BMWs and s2000's - just seeing the Mustang diff housing, it dwarfs them all. so much girth and potential to hold gobs of power. Driveshaftshop just released upgraded CV axles and Ford Racing offers them too... things are heating up. i will post photos of the DSS shafts we use

It wouldn't be cheaper, you can get to 500 WHP on the EB and that would cover the price difference between the two. If you want 500+, then it would be smarter to go with the GT for reliability reasons, but around 500, it will be cheaper to do it on the EB. To get the proper cooling, exhaust, tune, and turbo upgrades will run about $6-7000. $1000 for cooling, $1200 for exhaust, $2-3000 for the turbo, $500-1000 for the tune. That comes to about 6200 bucks in my experience with my friends who have Evos and have gotten to 500 HP. People really underestimate forged internals. Now at that point you will be on par with the GT cost wise but much faster. To get to 500WHP on a GT will require ported heads/cams/headers, as the standard mods (CAI, intake manifold, catback exhaust, tune) will only get it to around 430-450WHP.

good post :clap2: btw, for the sake of 1/4 mile calculations - we did a little weight reduction. Here is the current scales readout (empty fuel tank, no driver, subtle weight reduction mods):

Tuned using an AP, but no more details quite yet. :mullet: Ian

hey guys, we love your AP system for the 4cyl ecoboost engines so far.

Awesome!!! Would it ever be possible to see some clearance pictures of those front wheels? From everything I've been told 9-9.5" is the max up front, but 10" is awesome! And I guess just wheels in general, any modifications to fit such meats? What offsets, perhaps?

Yes the build thread will have many photos of the wheel fitment and suspension installation. Using a coilover in front helps make aggressive wheel and tire sizes fit. We used penske coilovers and the 285 on 10" wide rim was very close to the spring, about 5mm away. Now i would have done a 285 on 10.5" or 11" front with less offset and it would have fit just fine (you can see our fronts had more room to come out). Here is a photo of the Penske coilover kit:

fitting the rear 20x12 +52mm offset was done with some slight fender rolling. If it was a +55mm or +60mm it could have been an easier fit.

 

[JoeC1982]

Nice work Geoff!! Love seeing the details of the build and the under 3300 pound weight, gives me a little hope since that's what it should have been from Ford.

Do you happen to know a rough idea of where the stock turbo maxes out with the rest of your upgrades and what parts would you buy first if you couldn't do it all at once?

Thanks for your help and congrats on the great showing at SEMA!

 

[neodark]

nice 3300lbs sounds great

 

[kevg73]

What are your "subtle weight reduction mods?" Under 3300 is awesome.

 

[jjw]

Full Race makes some amazing stuff and their work with the BW EFR turbo's is awesome… just realize it doesn't come cheap but you really get what you pay for, especially when you start looking at their material selection, hardware etc. Quality and R&D costs $$$. I'm looking forward to getting one of their EFR kits for my wife's STI once I sell our M3. It will be a big chunk of change, but worth every penny. I'm sure their ecoboost stuff will be no different. Its pretty cool to see them so tight with Ford on the EB stuff.

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