Formula 1 talk.

[sk47]

Gotta loveeee the Hamilton fanboys.

Hello; Yeah, I know. No doubt it the coming week(s) they will come up with new angles/spin. I think the final decision on the appeal about last year's overbudget fines are to be out today. The leaked stories have Max keeping that title.

Here is the kicker. Those railing today for massive penalties if the budget cap was exceeded will change their tune later on when they overspend. What is a "big" deal to them now is only because they see a way to get what they want without actually having won on the track.
I lose count of how many ploys have been tried so far to "give" an underserved championship to Lewis.
It is a pretty simple thing. When the points get down to a last race and the winner takes all, then you best just win on the track. I get the first ploy was to claim a change of the end of race procedures were a good enough reason. Thing is the change was applied evenly to both Lewins and Max. Max and Lewis had equal options to change tires or keep track position. One team made a call that worked out, the other not so much.

If F1 gets to a point where races are not decided on the track and we have to endure challenge after challenge for months or years, it will not be worth following. I watch football games recently where the refs make bad calls or just miss fouls. We get to see it on the replays. Thing is if a team can get a snap in the challenge option is over. Move on to the next play and the game ends with a final score and that's it.

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[HoosierDaddy]

If F1 gets to a point where races are not decided on the track and we have to endure challenge after challenge for months or years, it will not be worth following. I watch football games recently where the refs make bad calls or just miss fouls. We get to see it on the replays. Thing is if a team can get a snap in the challenge option is over. Move on to the next play and the game ends with a final score and that's it.

At least the NFL is taking steps:

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Our 2021 submission was below the cost cap limit, so we need to carefully review the FIA's findings as our belief remains that the relevant costs are under the 2021 cost cap amount.

Red Bull were $1m-$2m in excess of the cost cap.

Daily free lunch for many of their 1,000 members of staff at their Milton Keynes headquarters is a key contributor to Red Bull’s overspend.

Costs over absent staff, due to illness, also contributed alongside catering fees.

Red Bull expect a fine as their punishment.

Of course, a Dutch paper would never show bias or spin.

Taking bets on how soon Toto claims they would have easily won last year if their staff had more nutritious lunches and RB only won this year because their staff could skip lunch in 2022 due to layers of fat they built up by overeating last year.

 

[Timeless]

The findings won't matter as the punishment will be laughable at best. It will set a precedent though and prove the FIA does not have the guts to really make it hurt.

And then every team will only go 5% over budget from that point on.

 

[Bugs]

At least the NFL is taking steps:

During a tour of the Denver Bronco's Mile High Stadium, I found it amusing that the sign to the "OFFICIALS" locker room includes the room number in Braille.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

What are Red Bull’s options?

What follows is likely to be a long and drawn-out phase of the process.

Red Bull and Aston Martin now have the possibility of either appealing against the FIA’s ruling, or the opportunity to enter into a ‘settlement agreement’ with the sport’s governing body.

If they were to accept their wrongdoing, the FIA’s Cost Cap Administration would impose a penalty it deems appropriate.

The Accepted Breach Agreement (ABA) would come with a milder form of punishment. This would rule out a points deduction or a reduction in the cost cap, leaving only a public reprimand, suspension from one or more stages of a competition, or limitations on aerodynamic or other testing.

Crucially, by going down this avenue, the ruling cannot be challenged by a rival team.

However, if a settlement agreement is not reached, the case would go on to the Cost Cap Adjudication Panel - formed of between six and 12 independent judges - who would hear the details of the case and determine whether the party was guilty or not, and what penalty should be imposed.

Teams could take the matter to the FIA’s international court of appeal if they were still not happy with the outcome.

Red Bull have continued to express confidence in their submission, and the firm wording of their statement, coupled with the defence launched by Christian Horner, hints that the team is considering challenging the verdict.

But the Milton Keynes-based outfit added that “despite the conjecture and positioning of others” they will “respectfully follow” the process set out by the FIA’s regulations.

What are the potential punishments?

A “minor” breach of the cost cap could result in a financial penalty and/or minor sporting penalties.

 

[Bikeman315]

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[Skye]

Red Bull's cost cap breach, explained.

 

[Bikeman315]

Red Bull's cost cap breach, explained.

That is f-ckin’ hysterical!!

 

[Skye]

https://www.f1technical.net/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvBO5Do9eiSDVY3qY7tfX7A/videos

I go out to F1Technical sometimes for really good photos of technical items and to read their forums.

Everyone discussing the cap, I was looking to see for any details.

I didn't know about LollyPop Man, but discovered him from another post there.

He's got other videos as well, but I that's the funniest I watched thus far. It's hilarious.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

 

[sk47]

Toto Wolff 'ready to break F1 rules' if FIA don't strip Max Verstappen after Mercedes chat (msn.com)

Hello; Most of this story is a rinse and repeat of what has been going on since that last race a season ago. Same song with new lyrics.

A bit of interest is the part about how the Merc would have been able to beat the RB if Merc had spent over cap. Thing is the Merc was fast enough to beat the RB that season and did several times. Lack of pace was not an issue. As we know the Merc was out in front at the end of the race.

I cannot say for sure the Merc of LH would have kept track position if it had been pitted at the same time as the RB was. Seems possible for sure and odds are it would have been likely with a good pit stop. But all that is an exercise in daydreaming. Both teams made a call and it was very close. The merc almost held on. I was wondering if The RB cold get the new tires up to speed in the number of corners left to race.

If the race results are changed it will be of interest to see if all the mid pack teams will try to get their results changed. Might be the results of all races and championships will be contested from here on out.

Not a big issue for me, I can find something worthwhile to watch.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

Toto Wolff 'ready to break F1 rules' if FIA don't strip Max Verstappen after Mercedes chat (msn.com)



Not a big issue for me, I can find something worthwhile to watch.

please, for the love of God please. You know literally nothing about F1 and keep spewing the same crap. Even though you have been told countless times about how and why the rules were broken your simple mind can just think … pit stop…


just look, hardly anyone interacts with your comments. Just move on, maybe circle racing is more your level of understanding.

 

[Bikeman315]

please, for the love of God please. You know literally nothing about F1 and keep spewing the same crap. Even though you have been told countless times about how and why the rules were broken your simple mind can just think … pit stop…


just look, hardly anyone interacts with your comments. Just move on, maybe circle racing is more your level of understanding.

And this is why I ignore him.

 

[Timeless]

Toto Wolff 'ready to break F1 rules' if FIA don't strip Max Verstappen after Mercedes chat (msn.com)

Hello; Most of this story is a rinse and repeat of what has been going on since that last race a season ago. Same song with new lyrics.

A bit of interest is the part about how the Merc would have been able to beat the RB if Merc had spent over cap. Thing is the Merc was fast enough to beat the RB that season and did several times. Lack of pace was not an issue. As we know the Merc was out in front at the end of the race.

I cannot say for sure the Merc of LH would have kept track position if it had been pitted at the same time as the RB was. Seems possible for sure and odds are it would have been likely with a good pit stop. But all that is an exercise in daydreaming. Both teams made a call and it was very close. The merc almost held on. I was wondering if The RB cold get the new tires up to speed in the number of corners left to race.

If the race results are changed it will be of interest to see if all the mid pack teams will try to get their results changed. Might be the results of all races and championships will be contested from here on out.

Not a big issue for me, I can find something worthwhile to watch.

Everyone in F1 admits that money equals a faster car. There is even a formula for every so much spent equals a hundredth, tenth, whatever.

So it is not unreasonable to suggest if Mercedes also went over budget by several millions that their drivers would have been faster on every lap. Someone would have to then go back on the season and mathematically figure out if it would have mattered or not...which in and of itself is tough because this would have also changed decisions on pitting, tires, etc.

However, given how close the championship was it is not unreasonable to think this might have changed who was the champion.

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