Ford has a Caddy CT4-V Blackwing for testing/benchmarking

[Inthehighdesert]

Adding a couple doors and what comes with it wouldn’t equate to a 5k lb vehicle. I‘d guess around an additional 300lbs. The new 7.3 is a great motor, it doesn’t need a dohc. There’s a ton on tap with that engine.

Really you guys want a 5,000 lb 4 door vehicle (I don't care about the name, hopefully not Mustang) as long as it has a V8?

Here I keep lobbying for better performance and for Ford to try to make the car a little smaller/lighter.

I mean, I guess I could live with something even bigger and heavier than the current Mustang if Ford made a DOHC version of the 7.3 or something. 700 HP don't care if the car is heavy.

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[Hack]

Adding a couple doors and what comes with it wouldn’t equate to a 5k lb vehicle. I‘d guess around an additional 300lbs. The new 7.3 is a great motor, it doesn’t need a dohc. There’s a ton on tap with that engine.

You are 100% correct. Probably just 4,100 or 4,200 lbs - somewhere in there. I just like to whine about any weight gain.

I would definitely not buy a 4 door version unless it was a significantly better performer than the Mustang while staying 2WD and NA.

 

[Hack]

no. The Accord/Civic/K5 are under 3300. Add 200lb for v8.

I agree the Mustang needs to lose at least 8 inches and quit this nonsense of pretending the rear seat serves a purpose. Why can't Ford steal the Mazda playbook and put a suicide door on the passenger side and make the Mustang a passable 3-seater, assuming the passenger is fairly short?

The 4V is too small for the rear seat to be usable. Yes in/egress is vastly easier than a Mustang by virtue of the door, but the leg room is non-existent and is not usefully better than the Mustang.

The 5V, however is a proper 4-seater. Lose the stupid power-adder and sell a SilverWing with N/A engine. The 4V should be re-launched as 2-door instead of pretending what it isn't.

There's a lot of weight savings you get in a front wheel drive vehicle because the vehicle doesn't need such a rigid structure going to the back.

I agree though that it's possible to get weight out of the Mustang and I like your ideas. I wouldn't be interested in a redesigned Cadillac because the Camaro already has everything I would want from a GM vehicle with an NA V8, manual and an inexpensive interior. I wouldn't want to pay more for similar performance.

 

[shogun32]

I wouldn't be interested in a redesigned Cadillac because the Camaro already has everything I would want from a GM vehicle with an NA V8, manual and an inexpensive interior

except the Caddy isn't a 'tank', has a good greenhouse you can actually see out of. The Caddy interior is 'faux' class. I would absolutely take a 5V 4-door, Camaro quality hard plastics interior, with Camaro/Corvette v8 powerplant sans dumb-ass moves like start/stop, 1-4 lockout and 2-piece lifters.

I enjoyed my Gen6 SS/1LE, but GM could have done so much better. Since the Camaro/4V/5V come off the exact same line, it wouldn't be at all hard to do a 2-door 4V and re-christen it Camaro. I'll even swallow the bitter pill of not having the v8.

 

[MAGS1]

I would absolutely buy a 4 door Mustang with a V8. In general, we need more sedan options and less SUV options. I’m tired of the SUV craze, and we own one. They serve a purpose but I wish more people would clamor for a sedan.

The CT4-V is a bit snug in the back seats but it’s not as tight as the Mustang. It’s a fun car, my parents have one. I would prefer a 4 door Mustang be closer to the size of the CT5-V though. NA would be preferred but I wouldn’t say no to a TT option either. 7.3L motor would be a good option for that car

 

[Inthehighdesert]

I completely get where your coming from. It wouldn’t be for everyone. I’m with Magsi, though. We’ve had the suv’s, or should say my wife has. Her last was an Explorer St. Great performance and nice. She does really like her Bronco much more though, noise and all. I’ve always like performance sedans, but couldn’t bring myself to go the euro route. Liked the Ctv’s, but would only take a wagon. Did really enjoy the Srt8 Magnum I had.

You are 100% correct. Probably just 4,100 or 4,200 lbs - somewhere in there. I just like to whine about any weight gain.

I would definitely not buy a 4 door version unless it was a significantly better performer than the Mustang while staying 2WD and NA.

 

[MAGS1]

I completely get where your coming from. It wouldn’t be for everyone. I’m with Magsi, though. We’ve had the suv’s, or should say my wife has. Her last was an Explorer St. Great performance and nice. She does really like her Bronco much more though, noise and all. I’ve always like performance sedans, but couldn’t bring myself to go the euro route. Liked the Ctv’s, but would only take a wagon. Did really enjoy the Srt8 Magnum I had.

Oooh, now I’m kinda hankering for a Mustang wagon. Always liked the CTS-V wagons, I wouldn’t say no to something similar with a Mustang badge on it…

The AMG wagons were nice, knew a few folks that had them. Another vehicle type that has gone by the wayside in favor of the SUV…

 

[Hack]

I completely get where your coming from. It wouldn’t be for everyone. I’m with Magsi, though. We’ve had the suv’s, or should say my wife has. Her last was an Explorer St. Great performance and nice. She does really like her Bronco much more though, noise and all. I’ve always like performance sedans, but couldn’t bring myself to go the euro route. Liked the Ctv’s, but would only take a wagon. Did really enjoy the Srt8 Magnum I had.

I always liked the looks of the SRT Magnums.

In theory I would buy a sedan over an SUV, but I don't need a sedan for anything I do. I have a pickup for hauling. We get heavy snow here, but a modern RWD car can get through a fair amount of snow as long as you have good tires on it. In MN they plow the roads quickly so the snow doesn't sit for more than a couple hours. There are a handful of snow events every year when it would be fun to rip around in an SUV with some ground clearance. However, other people on the road get very timid when there's snow on the roads, so I usually end up impatiently waiting on others even in a two wheel drive, low slung, sporty vehicle.

The only reason for me to buy something other than a 2 door vehicle is that I do get a little intimidated by the weather forecast when I think there could be 6-10 inches of snow on the ground during my commute. A sedan wouldn't help me with that. And I've never gotten stranded or stuck, so I try to just not worry about it. It's not worth living with a vehicle like that for the rest of the year. I owned an Exploder for a while and it worked fine for snow, but I felt like I lost a little bit of my soul every time I commuted in it.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

We all have different agendas with cars. The one that always escapes me or with any logic is the need angle. I honestly don’t need any of these cars. Lol.

I always liked the looks of the SRT Magnums.

In theory I would buy a sedan over an SUV, but I don't need a sedan for anything I do. I have a pickup for hauling. We get heavy snow here, but a modern RWD car can get through a fair amount of snow as long as you have good tires on it. In MN they plow the roads quickly so the snow doesn't sit for more than a couple hours. There are a handful of snow events every year when it would be fun to rip around in an SUV with some ground clearance. However, other people on the road get very timid when there's snow on the roads, so I usually end up impatiently waiting on others even in a two wheel drive, low slung, sporty vehicle.

The only reason for me to buy something other than a 2 door vehicle is that I do get a little intimidated by the weather forecast when I think there could be 6-10 inches of snow on the ground during my commute. A sedan wouldn't help me with that. And I've never gotten stranded or stuck, so I try to just not worry about it. It's not worth living with a vehicle like that for the rest of the year. I owned an Exploder for a while and it worked fine for snow, but I felt like I lost a little bit of my soul every time I commuted in it.

 

[Hack]

We all have different agendas with cars. The one that always escapes me or with any logic is the need angle. I honestly don’t need any of these cars. Lol.

100% correct on the word "need". I'm enough of a car guy that I can't deny wanting some 4 doors that I think are pretty good. However, the want isn't strong enough that I'm going to buy one. Probably not ever.

I think I'm mentally inflexible to some degree. At some point in my life I decided 2 door vehicles are cool and 4 doors aren't. I still can't let go of it.

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