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For the MT owners: how do you downshift?

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Clutchless Video!

Here's a brief overview video I shot of shifting clutchlessly.
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How the?!?!
CAUTION: ATTEMPT AT YOUR OWN RISK.
1. To get into Neutral: Between acceleration and deceleration, there's a stage called coasting, when you're just rolling in gear, neither acc nor decel. That's when there's no load on the transmission. Light pressure on the gearknob towards neutral will allow the trans to pop into neutral when coasting.

2UP. To Upshift: Then, as the rev continue to drop, apply light, firm, steady pressure on the gear knob towards the next higher gear. When the revs match the correct ones for the road speed, the lever will pop into the next gear, as long as your finger pressure on the knob remains constant. That's it.

2DOWN. To Downshift:. Get into neutral using step 1. Now blip the throttle: be generous. Then, as the revs drop after the blip, apply light, firm, steady pressure on the gear knob towards the next lower gear. When the revs match the correct ones for the road speed, the lever will pop into the lower gear, as long as you apply constant pressure on the knob. That's it.
 

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Did you change your transmission fluid? I'm afraid that this might cause wear on the synchros.
Yep, probably does. Driven various cars for years this way, but only during leisurely driving. For "fast" driving, I use the clutch.The synchros still performed perfectly, when driving with dispatch using the clutch as one normally would -- without double declutching to downshift -- rev-matching with the clutch pedal depressed.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out how to rev match correctly . It's pretty frustrating
Me too. It's a hit or miss with me but whenever I get it perfect, I smile like it's going to be a good day.

How do you really rev match properly?
It's all in getting your timing down, and practice is the only way I know of to make that happen. Knowing the details of how gear engagement actually happens might help some folks (dunno, maybe there's a video showing how the shift forks move and how the synchros do their thing somewhere on the 'net).


On clutchless shifting . . . as noted by kd4 above, this can be a very useful skill to have. But you'd should get the simpler matter of rev-matching down pat first.

FWIW, clutchless shifting in most any recent car is way easier than it was on the floor-shifted International pickup truck that I learned this technique on (its shift lever must have been well over 2 feet long resulting in huge throws going across the neutral gate).


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On clutchless shifting . . . as noted by kd4 above, this can be a very useful skill to have. But you'd should get the simpler matter of rev-matching down pat first.
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Actually, shifting without the clutch teaches you rev-matching: My rev-matched clutched downshifts improved because I developed muscle memory for how much to blip for downshifts. When clutchlessly shifting, with two-finger constant pressure, the lever will not slot into the next gear until the revs fall enough to match the road speed; your brain coordinates your thottle pedal pressure and you develop muscle memory.
 

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Kind of a harsh, pass/fail way to learn the easy stuff, methinks. Kind of like jumping into water that's way over your head before you know whether or not you can actually, ummm, swim.

But I may have learned in that order myself (it's been a while, and any clear memory of which came first has long since faded).


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I so didn't want to get into the topic of clutchless shifting... All those poor gearboxes out there... I think light pressure is the key -- don't force it into gear. Overall, clutchless shifting is something I plan on not doing -- although there are times when I may shift not using all available clutch -- but this transmission is taking some getting used to. I will say that the more I drive it, the more I enjoy it...
 

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Me too. It's a hit or miss with me but whenever I get it perfect, I smile like it's going to be a good day.

How do you really rev match properly?
Practice. I haven't perfected it yet myself, but that feeling when you nail it so smoothly you don't even notice the down shift is awesome.

When I down shift (like say I'm going to make a turn) I can usually go into 2nd or 3rd from 6th or 5th. So as I'm about to turn the corner, shift into 2nd, let the clutch out slowly as I'm giving some gas (just like you're starting off) and if you do it right it shouldn't lurch.
 

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Starting to feel good about my decision to never buy a used performance car.
At the very least, I don't think I'd ever buy a used car with a stick unless I knew the guy personally.
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