First mod for extreme summer heat

[69mach1-395]

Will we sell someone an intercooler? Absolutely, but we are going to be honest one what our feelings are towards their usefulness on the car as well. We'd rather see someone invest the money into methanol injection, conquering two issues with one modification.

So the one is issue is heat, what is the other?

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[mtpavelka]

This. Plus our logic is that since these car's have reached the limit of the fuel system already, putting an intercooler on it will just make it more likely that it hits the limit.

Will we sell someone an intercooler? Absolutely, but we are going to be honest one what our feelings are towards their usefulness on the car as well. We'd rather see someone invest the money into methanol injection, conquering two issues with one modification.

I'm all in with that suggestion. Will LMS be offering methanol injection kit soon? Can the kit you offer for the F150 be used on the EBM?

 

[Juben]

A lot of people are calling the intercooler a weak point and saying it needs to be swapped out, but on the flip side, Livernois is one of the most experienced EB tuners and their tunes are showing results and they have stated that an upgraded IC is not needed at current tune power levels

These intercoolers are much like the FoST and Fusion too. Ask any tuner working with this platform or even the FoST/Fusions and you'll get the same response.

My charge air temps (CAT) would skyrocket 70°+ above ambient with the stock FMIC. My Levels FMIC holds it between 6°-11° above ambient. That's even after 3+ hours of constant driving (no stops) and then recording datalogs. I'm not saying that Livernois isn't being truthful (maybe they don't feel that it's necessary), but you make it sound like it's a moot point to be disregarded and that's not true. Adam is probably one of the most trusted vendors on here, in addition to Livernois, so let's get his opinion on it too.

The fact is, an upgraded FMIC will make huge drops in CATs and feel stronger and more consistent. I actually thought it'd be something that I'd read on my AP, but not have much of a SOYP feel to it. I was wrong. The throttle response is a lot sharper and the power doesn't feel like it's dropping off up in the top end like it once did. With any car, you need to have all the right supporting mods when you go to make more power. This is one of the biggest supporting mods you need.

Here's what ATP had to say about it:

During initial test phase of the Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L turbo engine platform, we encountered symptoms that the factory intercooler was insufficient in supporting the airflow even for the stock turbo (200+ degrees Fahrenheit intake air temperatures and steep drop in mid to top-end power).

We investigated the issues and realized the following:

First, charged air was not flowing fast enough through the intercooler for engine consumption. Due to excessive pressure drop across the core, the factory intercooler was identified as a major choking point. In fact, the inefficiency of the factory intercooler is the most severe case we encountered from any turbo platform including all of the Ford EcoBoost engines.

Second, low-density attributes of the factory intercooler posed a major issue for its thermal cooling capabilities. As a result, the factory intercooler not only restricted airflow, but also failed to effectively remove heat from the reduced airflow passing through the core. On a cold engine, one single 3rd and 4th gear run resulted in charge air temperatures to exceed 200 degrees Fahrenheit! This is very hot! It's unsustainable for the engine to operate continuously with these air temperatures and remain reliable.

We replaced the factory intercooler with a sufficient high density and high flowing Garrett intercooler core. Immediately we recovered the pressure drop at the core and logged charge air temperatures 50 degrees cooler! Finally, we are able to provide adequate thermal cooling for the turbo system.

The dyno chart represents eliminating the airflow bottleneck from the factory intercooler and enabling ALL (unrestricted) airflow to the engine. Additionally, cooler charged air temperatures (the result of improved thermal cooling) create increased air density for the engine. The results, A LOT more power and torque (and available consistently due to less heat soak).

The ATP Intercooler (Garrett core) for the Ford Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L works exceptionally well with the stock turbo and performs even better with an upgraded turbo (results coming soon). Invest in one!

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[MAPerformance]

I'd have a read here about intercooler charge air temps over factory.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=494869&postcount=102


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[EcoSwag1990]

That makes sense, I will probably get an upgraded IC at some point anyway

 

[LeonBorden]

The evidence is irrefutable. That said, after 5 or 6 hot laps drifting I was much more concerned with our oil temps. This was in 65 degree weather. For the guy tracking this car, I'd recommend an oil cooler as the first mod.

 

[Juben]

The evidence is irrefutable. That said, after 5 or 6 hot laps drifting I was much more concerned with our oil temps. This was in 65 degree weather. For the guy tracking this car, I'd recommend an oil cooler as the first mod.

For an autocross or drift car, I too would recommend an oil cooler.

 

[turtleboy]

My car will end up being a weekend track car. Summers out here get over 110 degrees regularly so I'm thinking a oil cooler and intercooler will be a smart way to play it safe with a tune and have some fun.

 

[Tommy556]

These intercoolers are much like the FoST and Fusion too. Ask any tuner working with this platform or even the FoST/Fusions and you'll get the same response.

My charge air temps (CAT) would skyrocket 70°+ above ambient with the stock FMIC. My Levels FMIC holds it between 6°-11° above ambient. That's even after 3+ hours of constant driving (no stops) and then recording datalogs. I'm not saying that Livernois isn't being truthful (maybe they don't feel that it's necessary), but you make it sound like it's a moot point to be disregarded and that's not true. Adam is probably one of the most trusted vendors on here, in addition to Livernois, so let's get his opinion on it too.

The fact is, an upgraded FMIC will make huge drops in CATs and feel stronger and more consistent. I actually thought it'd be something that I'd read on my AP, but not have much of a SOYP feel to it. I was wrong. The throttle response is a lot sharper and the power doesn't feel like it's dropping off up in the top end like it once did. With any car, you need to have all the right supporting mods when you go to make more power. This is one of the biggest supporting mods you need.

Here's what ATP had to say about it:

During initial test phase of the Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L turbo engine platform, we encountered symptoms that the factory intercooler was insufficient in supporting the airflow even for the stock turbo (200+ degrees Fahrenheit intake air temperatures and steep drop in mid to top-end power).

We investigated the issues and realized the following:

First, charged air was not flowing fast enough through the intercooler for engine consumption. Due to excessive pressure drop across the core, the factory intercooler was identified as a major choking point. In fact, the inefficiency of the factory intercooler is the most severe case we encountered from any turbo platform including all of the Ford EcoBoost engines.

Second, low-density attributes of the factory intercooler posed a major issue for its thermal cooling capabilities. As a result, the factory intercooler not only restricted airflow, but also failed to effectively remove heat from the reduced airflow passing through the core. On a cold engine, one single 3rd and 4th gear run resulted in charge air temperatures to exceed 200 degrees Fahrenheit! This is very hot! It's unsustainable for the engine to operate continuously with these air temperatures and remain reliable.

We replaced the factory intercooler with a sufficient high density and high flowing Garrett intercooler core. Immediately we recovered the pressure drop at the core and logged charge air temperatures 50 degrees cooler! Finally, we are able to provide adequate thermal cooling for the turbo system.

The dyno chart represents eliminating the airflow bottleneck from the factory intercooler and enabling ALL (unrestricted) airflow to the engine. Additionally, cooler charged air temperatures (the result of improved thermal cooling) create increased air density for the engine. The results, A LOT more power and torque (and available consistently due to less heat soak).

The ATP Intercooler (Garrett core) for the Ford Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L works exceptionally well with the stock turbo and performs even better with an upgraded turbo (results coming soon). Invest in one!

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This.

There is a reason EU Mustangs will receive bigger intercoolers / better engine cooling overall. Seems like Ford has learned this in the last 6 months of selling EBs.

 

[Bullitt]

This.

There is a reason EU Mustangs will receive bigger intercoolers / better engine cooling overall. Seems like Ford has learned this in the last 6 months of selling EBs.

Wait, did I miss something? Ford is putting bigger intercoolers in the EU Mustangs? If that's the case then we may see that as an update for 2016 models.

 

[Tommy556]

That's what they are saying at Ford. I don't know if they are actually bigger. But they should def. be better. They don't want us germans racing this thing to its heat death on the autobahn ;)

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...ng-startet-in-deutschland-ab-35-000-euro.html

Für den hiesigen Markt besonders interessant: Ford schickt den neuen Mustang in Europa serienmäßig mit einem speziellen Performance-Paket ins Rennen, das das Handling und die Bremseigenschaften nochmals verbessern. Bestandteil Performance-Pakets ist unter anderem eine modifizierte Abstimmung des komplett neu konstruierten Fahrwerks inklusive angepasster Fahrwerkslager, eine verbesserte Kühlleistung für höhere Dauerlast zum Beispiel im Rennstreckenbetrieb

It basically says that EU Mustangs will receive a special performance package with better brakes, a new modified chassis and improved engine cooling system for long high speed drives and racing.

 

[MagneticA]

1st mod would be above the hood; window tint. Seems so obvious we don't even think about it. But the difference this makes in a heat soaked area is night and day. I've lived in AZ for 10+ years and this is my first car with tint. Now that I have it, not sure why I never had it before! After that, get a good custom-fit sunshade.

 

[Impulsed7]

It basically says that EU Mustangs will receive a special performance package with better brakes, a new modified chassis and improved engine cooling system for long high speed drives and racing.

So, the performance pack is pre-included. Which gets the bigger rad, bigger brakes, and some chassis stiffening.

 

[Tommy556]

So, the performance pack is pre-included. Which gets the bigger rad, bigger brakes, and some chassis stiffening.

[ame]

Well I hope you're able to understand German. This is what the european head of development had to say about the EU Mustang, starting at 3:20:
"The chassis will receive a european setting, that means the car will sit even more firmly on the road, we have high efficiency brakes and different cooler [than the us model] because we need to be able to keep highspeed over a long period of time. That means the vehicle has been modified for european needs."

 

[Impulsed7]

Yea, its what they said at the release that Top Gear (UK mag) was at. its the PP.

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