Feedback on Edelbrock tune?

[bryontro]

There is no aftermarket supercharger that maintains a factory warranty. None, zero. Any power train warranty from any company is supplemental.

Yes, supplemental. But, in my case non issue. I'm self installing. I was making the point for the conservative can tune. Warranty info link. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/misc/warranty/eforce.shtml

The question still is though, hows drivability on said can tune and other than Brenspeed, is anyone else supporting custom tunes? Fair question considering there doesnt seem to be a lot of info yet for the s550 (that I have found anyway)

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[SVT-DADDY]

Yes, supplemental. But, in my case non issue. I'm self installing. I was making the point for the conservative can tune. Warranty info link. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/misc/warranty/eforce.shtml

The question still is though, hows drivability on said can tune and other than Brenspeed, is anyone else supporting custom tunes? Fair question considering there doesnt seem to be a lot of info yet for the s550 (that I have found anyway)

Same here. I'd rather get basic kit on the car and be able to blame one of 2 people if it isn't right. Either me or the manufacturer!

Then I can upgrade it later and mess it up.

Plus I always need something to do, if not I ended up painting badges and stuff like that!

 

[jcart953]

Stage 2, which only has a 95mm maf and 50lb injectors is $9679. Stage 1 has very little power, uses stock airbox and stock tb....

According to the below link the stage 2 for the 2650 comes with addition of a cold air intake, smaller pulley, fuel injectors, and a fuel pump:

http://www.brenspeed.com/158640.html

Perhaps Edelbrock can clarify.

Researching myself. Stage 1 535hp with stock airbox, and can tune, $7083.00, 600+hp with custom tune based on research so far. Love the factory look. Not everyone wants huge mt82 grenading numbers. Fit n finish is 100% top shelf. If drivability is good with can tune to start with, whats the beef?

If your paying $7083 for the stage 1 2300 why not pay additional $10 and get the 2650 stage 1(no tuner):

http://www.brenspeed.com/158650.html#undefined1.




For others that dont care about warranty at all you can always get the stage 3 2300 Protuner kit for $5,899.87. Per Edelbrock it makes 785 HP , 660TQ

Stage 3 2300 $5,899.87Pricing:
http://rdpstore.com/p-10110-2015-17...rce-2300-stage-3-pro-tuner-systems-15863.aspx

Edelbrock Dyno numbers/Whats in the box(bottom of page):

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/superchargers/ford-mustang.shtml

 

[GTBOB]

Now remember, those dyno results from Edelbrock are from the crank, not rear wheel.

 

[SVT-DADDY]

Now remember, those dyno results from Edelbrock are from the crank, not rear wheel.

Brenspeed has some dyno vids that seem pretty realistic.

 

[SVT-DADDY]

It's funny.....strap a Roush or VMP blower to a car which is an Eaton 2300 and people all everyone expects 700hp.

Package an Eaton 2650 in an Edelbrock package and now we are worried about making enough power!

 

[Whipple SC]

According to the below link the stage 2 for the 2650 comes with addition of a cold air intake, smaller pulley, fuel injectors, and a fuel pump:

http://www.brenspeed.com/158640.html

Perhaps Edelbrock can clarify.



If your paying $7083 for the stage 1 2300 why not pay additional $10 and get the 2650 stage 1(no tuner):

http://www.brenspeed.com/158650.html#undefined1.




For others that dont care about warranty at all you can always get the stage 3 2300 Protuner kit for $5,899.87. Per Edelbrock it makes 785 HP , 660TQ

Stage 3 2300 $5,899.87Pricing:
http://rdpstore.com/p-10110-2015-17...rce-2300-stage-3-pro-tuner-systems-15863.aspx

Edelbrock Dyno numbers/Whats in the box(bottom of page):

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/superchargers/ford-mustang.shtml

Tuner kits don't come with tuning or fuel system so how does it make hat power....

 

[bryontro]

[MENTION=13288]Whipple SC[/MENTION]. Is there a pdf available of the install of a stage 1 or stage 2 kit to read over? Ive already went through the eforce install. Would be interesting read for me personally.

Ive only made it to making a SC short list so far. No decision yet because $7-8k is unfortunately not pocket change for this guy.

Still no owner feedback on base can tune on this thread unless I missed it..... Output is important but if there isnt real world drivability, its a quick no-go. Been there done that with HD twin cam FI builds. Great build, bad tune = misery.

 

[Whipple SC]

According to the below link the stage 2 for the 2650 comes with addition of a cold air intake, smaller pulley, fuel injectors, and a fuel pump:

http://www.brenspeed.com/158640.html

Perhaps Edelbrock can clarify.



If your paying $7083 for the stage 1 2300 why not pay additional $10 and get the 2650 stage 1(no tuner):

http://www.brenspeed.com/158650.html#undefined1.




For others that dont care about warranty at all you can always get the stage 3 2300 Protuner kit for $5,899.87. Per Edelbrock it makes 785 HP , 660TQ

Stage 3 2300 $5,899.87Pricing:
http://rdpstore.com/p-10110-2015-17...rce-2300-stage-3-pro-tuner-systems-15863.aspx

Edelbrock Dyno numbers/Whats in the box(bottom of page):

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/superchargers/ford-mustang.shtml

Yes as I said, stage 2 comes with a 95mm maf and intake, nowhere near any other system. Stage 1 uses stock airbox, on 93 octane at Brenspeed it made 534rwhp.

 

[Whipple SC]

[MENTION=13288]Whipple SC[/MENTION]. Is there a pdf available of the install of a stage 1 or stage 2 kit to read over? Ive already went through the eforce install. Would be interesting read for me personally.

Ive only made it to making a SC short list so far. No decision yet because $7-8k is unfortunately not pocket change for this guy.

Still no owner feedback on base can tune on this thread unless I missed it..... Output is important but if there isnt real world drivability, its a quick no-go. Been there done that with HD twin cam FI builds. Great build, bad tune = misery.

PM your email and I'll shoot one over.

There have been very little feedback because it doesn't do overly well, especially in a competitive market. It doesn't check the list of all the items many others do. Looks good and has some nice features but doesn't stack up to many others, especially if you throw out the warranty.

 

[jcart953]

Yes as I said, stage 2 comes with a 95mm maf and intake, nowhere near any other system. Stage 1 uses stock airbox, on 93 octane at Brenspeed it made 534rwhp.

I'm sorry not trying to be an ass but I don't believe that's what you stated. Your word were that it ONLY came with a maf and 50lb injectors. See for yourself:

Stage 2, which only has a 95mm maf and 50lb injectors is $9679. .

Stage 1 has very little power, uses stock airbox and stock tb....

Curious what is your equivalent of a stage 1 Edelbrock 2300 & 2650

Tuner kits don't come with tuning or fuel system so how does it make hat power....

Are we talking about Pro-Tuner kits (i.e stage 3)? Either way that's a question for Edelbrock;) lol

PM your email and I'll shoot one over.

There have been very little feedback because it doesn't do overly well, especially in a competitive market.

Sound like fighting words get em Edelbrock

Looks good and has some nice features but doesn't stack up to many others, especially if you throw out the warranty.

Honestly if one conveniently throws out the warranty then you are correct there are plenty of other options. Hell livernois has a tvs 2300 for $5499
https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP499102 should be in the 500-600ish range.

Me personally if I didn't care about warranty then I'd go for the Boostwork TT but to each their own.

 

[FIVE_LITER]

[MENTION=13288]Whipple SC[/MENTION]. Is there a pdf available of the install of a stage 1 or stage 2 kit to read over? Ive already went through the eforce install. Would be interesting read for me personally.

Ive only made it to making a SC short list so far. No decision yet because $7-8k is unfortunately not pocket change for this guy.

Still no owner feedback on base can tune on this thread unless I missed it..... Output is important but if there isnt real world drivability, its a quick no-go. Been there done that with HD twin cam FI builds. Great build, bad tune = misery.

If you want spot on driveability from a canned tune, the whipple is the way to go. Bonus is you make killer power to boot.

 

[Whipple SC]

I'm sorry not trying to be an ass but I don't believe that's what you stated. Your word were that it ONLY came with a maf and 50lb injectors. See for yourself:




Curious what is your equivalent of a stage 1 Edelbrock 2300 & 2650


Are we talking about Pro-Tuner kits (i.e stage 3)? Either way that's a question for Edelbrock;) lol



Sound like fighting words get em Edelbrock



Honestly if one conveniently throws out the warranty then you are correct there are plenty of other options. Hell livernois has a tvs 2300 for $5499
https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP499102 should be in the 500-600ish range.

Me personally if I didn't care about warranty then I'd go for the Boostwork TT but to each their own.

Our stage 1 is 7395, 2.9 SC, 123mm maf, big intake. Makes about 630rw and industry leading driveability.

Livernois kit is a Maggie kit that didn't do well, horrible inlet and complex belt system, not an ideal option. If I was going cheap, Beefcake has killer deals on some centrifugal.

We have no issues backing up anything I say, do a search and find all the happy Eddie cal'd kits out there.... reality is, Mustangs are difficult to tune and aftermarket tools are not ideal. Only a few have truly tuned these well, such as PBD and Lund. There is a reason why. Making power is the easy pasty, making it drive correct is an entirely different issue.

2018 and up are even more difficult. Throw in F150's with speed density and almost nobody can tune one, or shall I say 2 alike.

 

[spdracerUT]

I can't speak for past Edelbrock calibrations, but I know what they go through now because a friend of mine has been working there since the start of the year. He started his career at Ford where he went through their engine calibrator program. Moved over to Toyota doing all the calibration work on all the supercharged TRD products (Tundra, FJ, etc). You can say he knows a thing or two about OEM level calibration and meetings emissions targets while having good driveability and reliability. After TRD, he went to HPD (Honda Performance Development) and did engine calibration for the Indycars. Now he's at Edelbrock. His personal car is a 03 Cobra. I fully expect the Edelbrock kit to have class leading driveability and reliability.

 

[Whipple SC]

I can't speak for past Edelbrock calibrations, but I know what they go through now because a friend of mine has been working there since the start of the year. He started his career at Ford where he went through their engine calibrator program. Moved over to Toyota doing all the calibration work on all the supercharged TRD products (Tundra, FJ, etc). You can say he knows a thing or two about OEM level calibration and meetings emissions targets while having good driveability and reliability. After TRD, he went to HPD (Honda Performance Development) and did engine calibration for the Indycars. Now he's at Edelbrock. His personal car is a 03 Cobra. I fully expect the Edelbrock kit to have class leading driveability and reliability.

Maybe an improvement over previous releases, sound alike a talented guy. But in general, essentially everyone struggles because aftermarket tools. You can get one cal to work but take 3-4 tries on the next as aftermarket tools give you access to roughly 5-10% of the actual cal data. Meaning here are always items you can't see that change. Doesn't matter how talented you are, unless you have oem tools, the proper resources and the ability. There are so many versions of cals, you can't test them all so there is always an unknown, which requires cals to be modified routinely. Even Lund and PBD, by far the most successful of the custom tunes require multiple versions. just the life many deal with in he aftermarket.

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