ETMLI5: Major differences between the GT and Ecoboost

[Bull Run]

Why RS is a 40k car blows my mind. Minus the 4 wheel drive and the slightly beefier intercooler and compressor, it does not equate to the 15-20k difference. I guess its just the novelty and scarcity of the model.

I remember seeing it at a dealership early last year. It was in the $50K's with ADM and whatever options it had. We're talking about lightly used GT350 price range there.

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[Peon]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. Honestly, I dont have much experience driving cars like this, the EB was my first "real" car I have ever driven. I will be going for a test drive Tuesday so hopefully that will let me see how I feel about making the swap. One of my main concerns is that my current EB had some water leaking into the car bc of some faulty factory issue. A bunch of wires got soaked and I worry that down the road this is going to be something that is going to cause issues. I dont want to spend all this money modding and have to be concerned with engine/ecoboom issues as well as the possible issues caused be the water leak. This could just be all in my head tho. I always wanted a GT and now seems to be the time to swap. Money really isnt an issue, I just always here about how much of a difference 200lbs makes. Since I dont have the experience I thought i would just ask all of yall

 

[TorqueMan]

Money really isnt an issue, I just always here about how much of a difference 200lbs makes.

This issue is discussed at length here, where both cars are driven on a track.



If money isn't an issue then get the GT and take it to a good suspension shop. For several thousand more dollars (coilovers, wheels, tires, etc.) they can make it handle just like the EcoBoost handles out of the box.

 

[Ebm]

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Go rent a GT for the day and see how you like it. The gas mileage on a GT in town is not going to be great. Also, check with your insurance company and see what the difference in cost will be. You will be spending more more across the board for a GT so you should make sure you are really happy driving a GT compared to the EB.

That's funny because when I went from my boost to a GT, my insurance went down in cost for the same coverage. I saved around $5 a year switching.

I agree with everything Bull Run said and would add the Coyote is more durable than the 2.3, but if you don't push your aftermarket tune to its limits, you should be okay. Both the Coyote and the 2.3 should last for at least 200k miles with regular maintenance.

 

[jtmat]

This issue is discussed at length here, where both cars are driven on a track.

Interesting track times... 122 and 124... guess you do have more "muffler sound" going around the track in a V8. lol

 

[Maggneto]

That's funny because when I went from my boost to a GT, my insurance went down in cost for the same coverage. I saved around $5 a year switching.

I agree with everything Bull Run said and would add the Coyote is more durable than the 2.3, but if you don't push your aftermarket tune to its limits, you should be okay. Both the Coyote and the 2.3 should last for at least 200k miles with regular maintenance.

You purchased an older GT so it makes sense that you would pay about the same price for insurance.

The coyote being more durable is a questionable statement since both engines have had problems. An ECU tuned or modified EB is more likely to be problematic based on available content but in stock, non ECU tuned format, EB failures are hard to find. For every stock non ECU tuned EB failure there is a stock coyote failure. The EB is a complex engine and being modified by every noob with an extra 300 bucks which has unfortunately given the EB engine a false reputation of being less reliable than it actually is IMO.

As the price of replacement increases so does the insurance. I am sure there is a big difference between a new GT that sells for nearly 50k and a used 2014 GT or 2015 EB Premium that are worth 20k.

 

[Ebm]

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You purchased an older GT so it makes sense that you would pay about the same price for insurance.

The coyote being more durable is a questionable statement since both engines have had problems. An ECU tuned or modified EB is more likely to be problematic based on available content but in stock, non ECU tuned format, EB failures are hard to find. For every stock non ECU tuned EB failure there is a stock coyote failure. The EB is a complex engine and being modified by every noob with an extra 300 bucks which has unfortunately given the EB engine a false reputation of being less reliable than it actually is IMO.

As the price of replacement increases so does the insurance. I am sure there is a big difference between a new GT that sells for nearly 50k and a used 2014 GT or 2015 EB Premium that are worth 20k.

There is 2 years difference between my GT now and the EB I had. It's amazing how insurance cost differ in 1 or 2 years.

That's not a questionable statement at all. The Coyote is without a doubt the more durable engine. It's less stressed and has more headroom for power potential. I think you missed the part where I said both engines should last 200k miles with regular maintenance. Pretty much every engine produced these days should last 200k miles with regular maintenance.

Most of the engine failures for both engines are driver error. Whether that be someone tuning a car that shouldn't, someone botching maintenance or repair work like an oil change, or someone flooring the car in 6th gear when it's turning 1k rpms. Unfortunately, our cars are so cheap, there are quite a few idiots that have no clue what they are doing. :shrug:

 

[Faceme]

@OP. 200lbs or so will vanish under the hp difference.

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