Ecoboost Engine Blown?

[daltron]

Sure ok. I own a business I know how costs and overhead work just fine.

Then how about that $29.99 "The Works" (or any oil change really under $80) oil change that takes nearly the same amount of time which also has to factor in part (oil and filter) costs?

Overhead is a BS argument to bolt on a FRRP CAI and load the tune through the OBDII port.. $75 for 30 min of work is still MORE than fair and turns a profit. Their 1 tech costs avg $20 per hour; and this is a 30 min job. $10 in labor, no part/shop costs. Plenty of profit there; more profit than an oil change, or even 2.

And if they did one per month I'd be shocked it's that high; even if it's not hyper profitable. It's called a fair price service; taking care of a customer who bought a car from you.

If you like to get a** raped, by all means it's your money, pay $200-225 for a CAI/tune install.

Most places is a one hour minimum. Labor is labor, it doesn't matter what they are doing. As I mentioned before, end user labor prices are calculated by things like payroll rate, taxes, workers comp, insurance, overhead, etc. That's not debatable.

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[Blk2015GT]

The only reason places offer those $29.99 oil changes is to get people in the door and convince them to pay for other services, or to create customer loyalty so that when you need major repairs you'll go to the same dealership you go to for your oil changes.

It all ties together. Car from them, maintenance from them and this type of work. It's all a package of customer service. No one is asking them to lose money on the this type of install; there is still profit in it for them.

I believe you are a lawyer also from what I remember, but it's like a client calling saying they want a simple demand letter (say a security deposit letter) and offers you $100 and you weren't doing anything at that min anyways. It doesn't matter what my hourly rate is, even if that takes me 30 min and isn't 1/2 my hourly rate, I'd certainly say why not. There are no costs involved, and just time that is down time to begin with.

A dealership could certainly schedule this type of install between appointments in an open slot. No one is saying bump warranty work or more profitable work to do it.

Most places is a one hour minimum. Labor is labor, it doesn't matter what they are doing. As I mentioned before, end user labor prices are calculated by things like payroll rate, taxes, workers comp, insurance, overhead, etc. That's not debatable.

I understand that part but you pay your workers hourly for their shift whether there is a car in the bay or they are twiddling their thumbs. I'm sure there aren't appointments for service ever slot every day they are open; and in fact know so from experience at my local dealership.

It just makes no sense to not take on a profitable job and make it reasonable for the customer during an otherwise open slot you are paying your hourly guys and have no jobs scheduled. Especially when Ford Racing and Roush give you no other options in the warranty context- not that Im sure how the dealership is any more qualified to do this type of driveway mod than any certified auto tech.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

It all ties together. Car from them, maintenance from them and this type of work. It's all a package of customer service. No one is asking them to lose money on the this type of install; there is still profit in it for them.

I believe you are a lawyer also from what I remember, but it's like a client calling saying they want a simple demand letter (say a security deposit letter) and offers you $100 and you weren't doing anything at that min anyways. It doesn't matter what my hourly rate is, even if that takes me 30 min and isn't 1/2 my hourly rate, I'd certainly say why not. There are no costs involved, and just time that is down time to begin with.

A dealership could certainly schedule this type of install between appointments in an open slot. No one is saying bump warranty work or more profitable work to do it.

I am a lawyer; unless I'm doing a favor for a friend or a particular client has negotiated a special rate with me for some reason, everybody pays the same rate for my time. Every attorney is different -- I have a friend who's a real estate attorney and does a flat $1000 / house closing regardless of the amount of time he spends on it -- but for me it's $500 / hour (well, $50 / 6 minutes, technically) whether I'm just changing names in a form letter or writing some complex appellate brief.

 

[Falconetti]

The only reason places offer those $29.99 oil changes is to get people in the door and convince them to pay for other services, or to create customer loyalty so that when you need major repairs you'll go to the same dealership you go to for your oil changes.

Its called a loss leader.

 

[FordTechOne]

The only reason places offer those $29.99 oil changes is to get people in the door and convince them to pay for other services, or to create customer loyalty so that when you need major repairs you'll go to the same dealership you go to for your oil changes.

That is correct. Nobody makes money on a $29.99 oil change. The labor, overhead, oil, and filter all cost the dealer more than $29.99.

 

[Falconetti]

Sure ok. I own a business I know how costs and overhead work just fine.



If you like to get a** raped, by all means it's your money, pay $200-225 for a CAI/tune install.

It's called a loss leader...

 

[Blk2015GT]

I am a lawyer; unless I'm doing a favor for a friend or a particular client has negotiated a special rate with me for some reason, everybody pays the same rate for my time. Every attorney is different -- I have a friend who's a real estate attorney and does a flat $1000 / house closing regardless of the amount of time he spends on it -- but for me it's $500 / hour (well, $50 / 6 minutes, technically) whether I'm just changing names in a form letter or writing some complex appellate brief.

I guess it's just me being a newby only 4 years in and owning my own practice lol. I bill at half that rate. To me money is money, especially if I'm not doing anything else billable at that moment. $100 more than I had or was going to make in those 15-20 minutes but for drafting that letter. I guess that was more my overall point.

It's called a loss leader...

Again, I get that.

But how many people do you honestly think come into the dealership service area in a month to get Roush or Ford Racing parts dealer installed? One or 2 people a month? It's the same principal if you bought the car at that dealership. If they had 100 people a month I get it would be too costly, but were talking low single digits, if that many, and if even regularly.

Im not complaining on my own behalf; if I toss the techs a few bucks cash at my dealership because of my relationship with the dealership/management for some years they'll do whatever work within reason (like 30-60 min worth) if there is a down few minutes for them. My S197 got a spoiler drilled/installed at pickup for a few bucks cash to the service tech. I think I gave him $50, but it was 2009 so a long time ago now and I dont remember the exact amount.

But in general a Ford Racing CAI and tune isn't an even a 1 hour job and it's nuts dealerships get away with charging $200 even if you want to say they bill one full hour. Unless you're trying to say Ford bills $200/hour for shop time. The hourly shop rate, even at a dealership inflated rate, shouldn't be over $100 per hour at a dealership; so $200 is ripping people off unless you're honestly telling me it'd take you over an hour to do a CAI and load a tune. I think the first time I ever did one on my Mustang year ago took a whole 30 min- without knowing what I was doing and never done one.

 

[Falconetti]

Again, I get that.


I was just adding that in for the correct term, I wouldn't pay the high prices. I like to gamble and if my motor blows I don't have the cash to buy a new one. Guess its MMR lay-a-way for me..

 

[Blk2015GT]

Again, I get that.


I was just adding that in for the correct term, I wouldn't pay the high prices. I like to gamble and if my motor blows I don't have the cash to buy a new one. Guess its MMR lay-a-way for me..

Well you said $75 is ridiculous. If shop time is $75-100/hour (whatever the number you want to use as it varies around that range from dealership to dealership) which is what dealerships are, and it's 1 hour or less job then $75-100 isn't ridiculous as you stated.

What's ridiculous is billing/paying $200-225 for a less than 1 hour job that I've seen all over the net in Mustang forums (since the power pack has been around for some years). And it's surely because they know that's the only way Ford Racing or Roush will warranty the product/mod and the customer has no other place to go for the install but a dealership.

 

[65and15Fastbacks]

Damn! I just spent I don't know how much time reading from page 1. I had a bud install a Roush CAI. Now I'm worried about taking it to the dealer for an oil change!!

 

[Falconetti]

Well you said $75 is ridiculous. If shop time is $75-100/hour (whatever the number you want to use as it varies around that range from dealership to dealership) which is what dealerships are, and it's 1 hour or less job then $75-100 isn't ridiculous as you stated.

What's ridiculous is billing/paying $200-225 for a less than 1 hour job that I've seen all over the net in Mustang forums (since the power pack has been around for some years). And it's surely because they know that's the only way Ford Racing or Roush will warranty the product/mod and the customer has no other place to go for the install but a dealership.

Because, business!

 

[fastertoo]

UPDATE: New motor arrived today, Ford changed the part number, Service Rep thinks they changed it because they found a problem and modified the new motors. Says it should be ready by Tuesday. Wish us luck

 

[Falconetti]

UPDATE: New motor arrived today, Ford changed the part number, Service Rep thinks they changed it because they found a problem and modified the new motors. Says it should be ready by Tuesday. Wish us luck

hope it's free

 

[l2frankie]

UPDATE: New motor arrived today, Ford changed the part number, Service Rep thinks they changed it because they found a problem and modified the new motors. Says it should be ready by Tuesday. Wish us luck

Modified the new motors? As in something is out of whack with the old 2.3 motors?

 

[NavyChief]

Did you get a 5.0????

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