Ecoboost Engine Blown?

[Mattrix]

I've looked at all the aftermarket options for blocks and it's just not worth it. I cannot afford to have more issues that will come out of pocket like this. From now on I'll only use mods that 100% will not void a factory warranty.

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[Mattrix]

I wouldn't even waste the money on this CAI or any CAI. The gains they are claiming are just out right ludicrous! Talk to real experienced performace junkies and they laugh at CAI's to add noticeable power. Again, the new guy around here but I spent like a week researching them and concluded they are truly snake oil for performance (actually can degrade performance a lil) without more dynamic parts and a tune to make use of the better air flow its not a good choice... Your not stupid enough to get a tune at this point. :frusty: and you know Ford if they decide can void your warranty even with the Roush turd, so why risk it?! Buy some nice 20's and call it a day until there more information.

The Roush CAI is 100% Ford warranty safe if installed at a Roush authorized Ford dealership. Roush works with Ford on those types of modifications when designing and testing them. You'll even see some cars new on dealer lots with them installed already. The main reason for me to get a CAI is the sound. If I get a few extra ponies great but I want to be able to hear the turbo and the blow off valve, the stock box restricts it so much. I like to enjoy my drive and sounds is one of the best senses to give you pleasure while driving.

 

[J-chitown]

I've looked at all the aftermarket options for blocks and it's just not worth it. I cannot afford to have more issues that will come out of pocket like this. From now on I'll only use mods that 100% will not void a factory warranty.

NO such thing! Haaha

Yaa, window tints, carpet cleaner, sound design (maybe). Maybe cat back is ok but if something blows, they can get an expert to say its the exhaust probably.

Fck man, even larger wheels change the geometry points of the suspension and can lead to added stress and "Void the warranty"

For now on, here is what you say to yourself. "Is this MOD worth a month of my time and $8,000.00" Say that out loud before every purchase and I can guarantee you it will help you make the right decision.

 

[Asharus]

exactly why i went from a fully bolted on WRX running on E85 to a N/A coyote with the only "mod" being a catback exhaust.

im lucky the WRX didnt blow up before i sold it with 80k miles on it.

 

[J-chitown]

The Roush CAI is 100% Ford warranty safe if installed at a Roush authorized Ford dealership. Roush works with Ford on those types of modifications when designing and testing them. You'll even see some cars new on dealer lots with them installed already. The main reason for me to get a CAI is the sound. If I get a few extra ponies great but I want to be able to hear the turbo and the blow off valve, the stock box restricts it so much. I like to enjoy my drive and sounds is one of the best senses to give you pleasure while driving.

Well in that case "to each is own" and I can't debate it. :cheers:
Personally I think the Roush exhaust will yield a much more pleasing sound then a what sounds like to me a cat fight under my hood.

Thats funny, Roush parts are ok by :ford:and if you pay all the premium labor and costs your AOK on the warranty. I thought Chicago politics were bad...Enter the after marked performance market.

I get ya man, after all this you just want your dream car to have some custom something. I say move back home in your moms basement and buy the 2017 GT350!!!!!

 

[Fasstang]

I feel very very sorry for what is going on. Sometime this weekend, I will tell my story with Ford and my new mustang with only 565 miles on it, for the past 3 weeks. Anyway, in Ford's eyes, anything that you may change for something that did not came from factory in your car, is enough for Ford to brand your car as a modified . I am wanting to do few things on mine, just to sound better and a mod from Cobb that I could uninstall before going to the dealer...but hearing your story, now I am crazy afraid... Good luck buddy.

 

[347CobraII]

The Roush CAI is 100% Ford warranty safe if installed at a Roush authorized Ford dealership. Roush works with Ford on those types of modifications when designing and testing them. You'll even see some cars new on dealer lots with them installed already. The main reason for me to get a CAI is the sound. If I get a few extra ponies great but I want to be able to hear the turbo and the blow off valve, the stock box restricts it so much. I like to enjoy my drive and sounds is one of the best senses to give you pleasure while driving.

My dealer that's also a Roush dealer too. THIS is what I got from them doesn't matter if it's Roush CAI or even if they installed it. IF that part was the cause Ford will not warranty it

 

[Blk2015GT]

NO such thing! Haaha

Yaa, window tints, carpet cleaner, sound design (maybe). Maybe cat back is ok but if something blows, they can get an expert to say its the exhaust probably.

Fck man, even larger wheels change the geometry points of the suspension and can lead to added stress and "Void the warranty"

For now on, here is what you say to yourself. "Is this MOD worth a month of my time and $8,000.00" Say that out loud before every purchase and I can guarantee you it will help you make the right decision.

Some people just will NEVER learn no matter how much money they dump or times people here say it. NO mod is 100% safe. Not Roush. Not Ford Racing. They're all AFTERMARKET parts. Roush/FRRP will warranty their part if it itself fails, not the car or if the mod causes the failure in the car.

Anything you put on the car is aftermarket unless replacing an OEM part with the same OEM Ford part.

Tinting really isnt a "mod" that affects any function of the car at all. Wheels are extremely tough to say voids a warranty since the OEM offering are 18-20" now as long as you stay in those sizes.

 

[GT Pony]

NO mod is 100% safe.

I'd say just a resonator delete X or H pipe is 100% safe. Any dealer trying to argue that removing the resonator caused a rod to go through the side of the block, or blew up the clutch shouldn't be in the business.

 

[Mattrix]

Some people just will NEVER learn no matter how much money they dump or times people here say it. NO mod is 100% safe. Not Roush. Not Ford Racing. They're all AFTERMARKET parts. Roush/FRRP will warranty their part if it itself fails, not the car or if the mod causes the failure in the car.

Anything you put on the car is aftermarket unless replacing an OEM part with the same OEM Ford part.

Tinting really isnt a "mod" that affects any function of the car at all. Wheels are extremely tough to say voids a warranty since the OEM offering are 18-20" now as long as you stay in those sizes.

Roush specifically states on their website for the CAI's that they will not void the factory warranty. I'm waiting to hear back from a customer service rep I've been dealing with at Ford to see if this is true. I will not use it if it's not a 100% guarantee and it will have to be documented on my service order with the dealership.

On a side note Roush now is offering power packs for the 15-16s and you can buy a 3yr/36k mile limited powertrain warranty. Last night I read through the warranty and it's not bad but the overall cost is not worth it IMO. It would cost $764.99 for a CAI and tune. Then $495 for the warranty.

 

[Blk2015GT]

Roush specifically states on their website for the CAI's that they will not void the factory warranty. I'm waiting to hear back from a customer service rep I've been dealing with at Ford to see if this is true. I will not use it if it's not a 100% guarantee and it will have to be documented on my service order with the dealership.

On a side note Roush now is offering power packs for the 15-16s and you can buy a 3yr/36k mile limited powertrain warranty. Last night I read through the warranty and it's not bad but the overall cost is not worth it IMO. It would cost $764.99 for a CAI and tune. Then $495 for the warranty.

http://www.roushperformance.com/pdf/LimitedWarranty.pdf

Again, no. Roush warranties its own part and that's all. You still have someone that is not Ford telling you it won't void Ford's warranty- that will never hold up in any court if it becomes a legal issue to get the car fixed. Roush doesn't speak for or represent Ford. Just like other mods that clearly did void the warranty even when they said they wouldn't on their website too.

A CAI without a tune may be much less likely to void a warranty but that does not mean Ford cannot do it. It's also the easiest mod to remove and put the stock air box back in without a trace before bringing the car in (takes a whole 10 mint to swap). But Roush isn't Ford and doesn't speak for Ford.



And the superchargers are different, you are buying a 3rd party warranty from Roush that is supplanting their own warranty coverage over the factory void portions.

http://www.roushperformance.com/pdf/2015-Optional-Limited-Powertrain-Warranty-Upgrade-4-9-15.pdf

This is a REPLACEMENT warranty as the factory one is void, meaning Roush is now warranting the items listed at the bottom of the first page up to those amounts.


There is no $495 3rd party warranty for a CAI/tune- only the supercharger setup.



"How do I obtain warranty service on my ROUSH Mustang?

The first step in obtaining service is to contact your local ROUSH dealer and schedule a service appointment. At the time of your appointment, the service representative at your dealer will contact warranty at 800-59-ROUSH and begin the warranty process."

This is the reason only a Roush dealership will service a Roush-built car. Roush is paying for the warranty service on its cars, not Ford (on the areas where the warranty would be void due to modification).


The above holds exactly the same for Ford Racing parts as well (the supercharger warranty link says both Roush and FRRP as it's the same part) They are all aftermarket and parts.

Again, pay to play for ANY aftermarket part that changes the car's performance the slightest bit, period.

 

[Mattrix]

http://www.roushperformance.com/pdf/LimitedWarranty.pdf

Again, no. Roush warranties its own part and that's all. You still have someone that is not Ford telling you it won't void Ford's warranty. Just like other mods that clearly did void the warranty even when they said they wouldn't. A CAI without a tune may be much less likely to void a warranty but that does not mean Ford cannot do it. Roush isn't Ford and doesn't speak for Ford.



And the superchargers are different, you are buying a 3rd party warranty from Roush

http://www.roushperformance.com/pdf/2015-Optional-Limited-Powertrain-Warranty-Upgrade-4-9-15.pdf

This is a REPLACEMENT warranty as the factory one is void, meaning Roush is now warranting the items listed at the bottom of the first page up to those amounts.

There is no $495 3rd party warranty for a CAI/tune.

The above holds exactly the same for Ford Racing parts as well.

I specifically just said I was waiting to hear back from someone at FORD about Roush's claim.

As to the warranty for the power packs please look at the specific section that talks about the 2.3L power pack. I'm not talking about Super Charger warranty, please read it.

 

[Blk2015GT]

I specifically just said I was waiting to hear back from someone at FORD about Roush's claim.

As to the warranty for the power packs please look at the specific section that talks about the 2.3L power pack. I'm not talking about Super Charger warranty, please read it.

Yes apparently powerpacks for 4 bangers you can buy a warranty after checking. Same as the supercharger. Dont own an Eco so never bothered looking at parts for it and it's at the bottom of the long pdf.

Point still stands, they cover the listed items up to $7,500. Another $8,700 blowout, which they wont discount next time, and that's $1,300 out of pocket above warranty again.

Why even bother risking it at this point; it's a bit of banging ones head against the wall expecting the result to change. Pay to play

 

[Mattrix]

I'll post it for all to see, it is at the bottom of the PDF for those wanting to view it.


ROUSH PERFORMANCE
Optional Limited Powertrain Warranty
3 Year/36,000 Miles
421989 ROUSH® FLASH PACK, 2015+ 2.3L-I4 ECOBOOST MUSTANG
421990 ROUSH® P1-POWER PACK, 2015+ 2.3L-I4 ECOBOOST MUSTANG
421991 ROUSH® P2-POWER PACK, 2015+ 2.3L-I4 ECOBOOST MUSTANG

WARRANTY ACTIVATION/PURCHASE
To activate this warranty you must contact ROUSH Customer Service to provide: payment, the Warranty Registration
Card (PP-PWC336-AA), the Optional Limited Powertrain Warranty form (page 4 of this document) and proper
documentation within THIRTY (30) days of the service order installation date identified on your installation receipt.

WHO IS COVERED
ROUSH's warranty obligations for the ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit(s) identified above is limited to the original owner
of the vehicle in which the ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit(s) is installed and who has submitted payment, the warranty
registration card, proper documentation in order to activate this warranty. This warranty is not transferable to a second
owner and is secondary to all other warranties and manufacturers’ recall that may be in effect. The term “ROUSH Flash
Pack/Power Pack Kit(s)” as used in this warranty applies to each ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit identified above.

WARRANTY PERIOD
The Warranty Period for the ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit(s) listed above is as follows:
 3 years or 36,000 miles from the vehicle’s original in-service date as determined by Ford dealer OASIS (On-Line
Service Information System) report.

WARRANTY COVERAGE
When a ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit(s) is correctly and completely installed by a certified Ford automotive technician
or automotive service technician certified by the Institute for Automotive Service Excellence (ASE) on an eligible, legally
registered and licensed vehicle with an operational odometer, ROUSH will cover defects in materials and workmanship
during the Warranty Period, as solely determined by us.

Below are those vehicle components covered and not covered under this warranty:
 ENGINE COMPONENTS
COVERED: Pistons, piston rings, piston pins, crankshaft and bearings, connecting rods and bearings, camshafts
and bearings, timing chain and gears, intake/exhaust valves and seals, valve springs, oil pump, push rods,
rocker arms, rocker arm shafts, lifters, and turbochargers (if applicable). If a failure of any of these parts
damages either the engine block or cylinder heads, a remanufactured long block assembly will be provided up
to the maximum coverage of $7500.00.
NON-COVERED: Those engine components specifically not listed including, but not limited to, parts, filters, etc.,
that are required to be replaced as a part of the vehicle’s normal maintenance schedule are not covered under
this warranty.
 TRANSMISSION COMPONENTS
COVERED: Torque converter, oil pump, governor, bands, drums, planetaries, shaft(s), sprag(s), bearings, shift
rail(s), fork(s), and synchronizers.
NON-COVERED: All-wheel drive vehicles are excluded from transmission coverages under this Warranty. Failure
of related parts external to the transmission that cause a transmission claim, including but not limited to,
transmission coolers, levers, controls, etc., void coverage under this warranty.
 REAR AXLE COMPONENTS
COVERED: Rear axle, ring gear, drive pinion, pinion shaft, side gears, bearings, bearing cap, washers, slinger,
axle shaft (F-150 models only), housing and housing cover.
NON-COVERED: Axle shafts (Mustang models only).
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When you present us with a valid, properly documented warranty claim during the Warranty Period, ROUSH will replace
the defective component(s) covered by this warranty or, at our option and sole discretion, refund the purchase price you
paid for the particular ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit(s) purchased. We reserve the right to improve or modify the
ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit(s) without assuming any obligation to update or replace any previously manufactured
or sold ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit(s).
OUR TOTAL LIABILITY PER COVERED VEHICLE UNDER THIS WARRANTY IS LIMITED TO $10,500.00
(AGGREGATE). EACH COVERED COMPONENT HAS ITS OWN AGGREGATE VALUE WHICH WHEN COMBINED
EQUALS THE TOTAL LIABILITY PER VEHICLE. THE ENGINE IS COVERED FOR $7500.00, $2000.00 PER
TRANSMISSION, AND $1000.00 PER REAR AXLE. THESE AMOUNTS CANNOT BE COMBINED TOGETHER TO AID
IN THE REPAIR OF ANOTHER COVERED COMPONENT. IN THE RARE CASE WHEN THE REPAIR COST EXCEEDS
THE ACTUAL CASH VALUE OF THE VEHICLE, WE WILL REFUND THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE
ROUSHCHARGER®/SUPERCAHRGER KIT(S) ONCE THE COMPLETE KIT IS RETURNED PREPAID TO US.
A replacement ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit(s) or component(s) that has been installed in accordance with our
instructions, assumes the remaining warranty of the original replaced. If a ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit(s) or any of
its component(s) is exchanged, the replacement becomes your property and the returned ROUSHcharger®/Supercharger
Kit(s) or component(s) becomes our property.

WARRANTY DISCLAIMER/EXCLUSIONS/LIMITATIONS:
TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, THIS WARRANTY AND ITS REMEDIES ARE EXCLUSIVE AND IN LIEU OF ALL OTHER
WARRANTIES, REMEDIES AND CONDITIONS, WHETHER ORAL OR WRITTEN, STATUTORY, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. AS
PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, ROUSH® SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS, STATUTORY OR IMPLIED
WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
PURPOSE AND WARRANTIES AGAINST HIDDEN OR LATENT DEFECTS. IF ROUSH® CANNOT LAWFULLY DISCLAIM ANY
STATUTORY OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES THEN TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, ALL SUCH WARRANTIES SHALL BE
LIMITED IN DURATION TO THE WARRANTY PERIOD AND THE WARRANTY COVERAGE DESCRIBED HEREIN. THIS
WARRANTY COVERS ONLY DEFECTS IN OUR MATERIALS OR WORKMANSHIP, AND DOES NOT APPLY TO THE ORIGINAL
EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURER (OEM) EXTERIOR ENGINE COMPONENTS, IGNITION, FUEL SYSTEM OR DAMAGE RELATED
TO OR ARISING FROM:
y) USE OF FUEL WITH OCTANE RATING LESS THAN 91 (R+M)/2 (REQUIRES PREMIUM FUEL).
z) IMPROPER INSTALLATION, ABNORMAL OPERATION, ABUSE, NEGLECT, LACK OF MAINTENANCE OR LACK OF
FLUIDS, OR DAMAGE RESULTING FROM A COLLISION. OPERATION OF SUCH AN IMPAIRED VEHICLE WILL VOID
THE WARRANTY. THE VEHICLE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING NO FURTHER DAMAGE OCCURS ONCE
DAMAGE HAS OCCURRED.
aa) COVERED COMPONENTS BEING TAMPERED WITH OR ALTERED FROM FACTORY SPECIFICATIONS (OEM OR
ROUSH®).
bb) THE USE OF NON-ROUSH APPROVED ACCESSORIES, SUCH AS, HEADERS, AIR INDUCTION, FUEL ADDITIVES (IE.
OCTANE BOOSTER), CAMSHAFTS, NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEMS, REAR END MODIFICATIONS, AND OTHER
AFTERMARKET PRODUCTS.
cc) DAMAGE OR ABUSE RELATED TO TOWING, OVERLOADING, PCM RECALIBRATION, MISUSE, NEGLIGENCE, ROAD
CONDITIONS, LIFT KITS, OVERSIZED TIRES, AND OTHER NON-ROUSH APPROVED MODIFICATIONS.
dd) PARTICIPATING IN OR PREPARATION OF THE VEHICLE FOR RACING (ON A TRACK OR OTHERWISE), FIRES,
FLOOD, RIOTS, ACTS OF WAR OR TERRORISM, THEFT, VANDALISM, NATURAL DISASTERS, AND ACTS OF GOD
ARE NOT COVERED.
THIS IS NOT A PERFORMANCE WARRANTY. IT DOES NOT COVER ANY VEHICLE IN WHICH THE ROUSH FLASH PACK/POWER
PACK IS INSTALLED. IT IS A WARRANTY COVERING THOSE SPECIFIC COMPONENTS LISTED UNDER WARRANTY
COVERAGE. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN THIS WARRANTY AND TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, ROUSH® IS NOT
RESPONSIBLE FOR DIRECT, SPECIAL, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL, INCIDENTAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES RESULTING
FROM ANY BREACH OF WARRANTY OR CONDITION, OR UNDER ANY OTHER LEGAL THEORY INCLUDING, WITHOUT
LIMITATION, LOSS OF REVENUE, LOSS OF ACTUAL OR ANTICIPATED PROFITS (INCLUDING LOSS OF PROFITS ON
CONTRACTS), LOSS OF THE USE OF MONEY; LOSS OF ANTICIPATED SAVINGS; LOSS OF BUSINESS; LOSS OF
OPPORTUNITY; LOSS OF GOODWILL; LOSS OF REPUTATION; LOSS OF EARNINGS; PERSONAL DAMAGES; PERSONAL
INJURY INCLUDING DEATH; PERSONAL EXPENSES (FOOD, ROOM, MEDICAL, DENTAL); RENTAL VEHICLE EXPENSES;
TOWING; STORAGE OR ANY OTHER LOSS OR DAMAGE HOWSOEVER CAUSED INCLUDING THE REPLACEMENT OF THE
VEHICLE ON OR IN WHICH THE ROUSH FLASH PACK(S)/POWER PACK(S) IS INSTALLED OR OTHER PROPERTY.
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OBTAINING WARRANTY SERVICE
 To obtain warranty service on your vehicle upfitted with the ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack Kit(s), the vehicle
must have an operational odometer and have maintenance services performed at the intervals as stated in the
Ford Motor Company’s vehicle maintenance schedule, either at a Ford dealership or commercial maintenance
center. You must present these invoices in the unlikely event of a warranty claim; therefore, we strongly
recommend that you retain them for your records.
 You must submit copies of the following documents with your warranty claim: (a) your warranty registration form,
(b) the receipt showing installation of the ROUSH Flash Pack/Power Pack by a certified Ford Automotive
Technician or ASE automotive service technician, and (c) all requested vehicle maintenance records.
 YOUR FAILURE TO CONTACT US AND RECEIVE AUTHORIZATION BEFORE ANY REPAIR WORK IS
PERFORMED WILL INVALIDATE YOUR WARRANTY CLAIM.
 If a warranted component has failed, please contact us immediately at 1-800-59-ROUSH (1-800-597-6874). You
must authorize the repair facility to tear down the component for inspection before we authorize the repair or
replacement of a failed component covered by this warranty. If the failed component is not covered under this
warranty, the tear down and subsequent repair or replacement costs are solely your responsibility.
 An ASE certified repair facility must complete the repair or replacement based on the written estimate they provide
to us. We base labor rates for repair or replacement services on OEM labor time standards.

CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS
This warranty is valid only in the United States and Canada. Some states and provinces do not allow the exclusion or
limitation of certain damages or the duration of implied warranties or conditions so the above limitations or exclusions may
not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights that vary by state or
province. The laws of the State of Michigan (excluding its conflict of law’s provisions) will govern this warranty. The U.N.
Convention for the International Sales of Goods will not apply. Any action brought to enforce or interpret this warranty shall
occur only in a court of the State of Michigan or in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan.

MISCELLANEOUS:
 NEITHER RESELLER NOR ITS EMPLOYEE, OR ANY EMPLOYEE OF ROUSH IS AUTHORIZED TO MAKE
ANY MODIFICATION, EXTENSION, OR ADDITION TO THIS WARRANTY.
 ROUSH RESERVES THE RIGHT TO MODIFY THIS LIMITED WARRANTY AT ANY TIME; HOWEVER, ANY
SUCH MODIFICATION WILL NOT ALTER THE WARRANTY CONDITIONS APPLICABLE AT THE TIME OF
SALE.

NOTICE TO INSTALLER/RESELLER
PLEASE MAKE THIS WRITTEN WARRANTY AVAILABLE TO THE PROSPECTIVE BUYER FOR REVIEW BEFORE THE SALE. ALSO, PLEASE
SUPPLY A COPY OF THIS WRITTEN WARRANTY TO ANY CONSUMER WHO PURCHASES ANY ROUSH FLASH PACK/POWER PACK
COVERED BY THIS WARRANTY.
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Optional Limited Powertrain

 

[Mattrix]

Yes apparently powerpacks for 4 bangers you can buy a warranty after checking. Same as the supercharger. Dont own an Eco so never bothered looking at parts for it.

Point still stands, they cover the listed items up to $7,500. Another blowout and that's $1,300 out of pocket above warranty again.

Why even bother risking it at this point.

That is why I said I don't think it's worth it. Just wanted to throw that out there for anyone that does want to risk it. There are tons of guys doing some very aggressive modifications. Then you have guys not willing to do anything at all. It's nice to be able to come to a forum like this to see what others are doing and what is available so you can make your own decisions.

To make this crystal clear! I will not be doing any modifications that will void my factory warranty! If Ford tells me the Roush CAI by itself is safe and I can get that in writing then I'll have one installed. If they tell me they cannot do that then I'll be using the stock airbox until my warranty expires.

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