Ecoboost Engine Blown?

[Falconetti]

detonation. My opinion of course. I really hope that they take care of it for you. If Ford did they would likely have a very dedicated customer, if they don't I imagine they will loose one.

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[4bangin]

What octaine where u using and did u have the knob turned up to 100%, I also have boostmax and pedalmax.. But this is about to have me remove them.Do u think this happened as a result of those parts?

 

[brandonsmash]

Wow, you don't f* around when you decide to vent a block. You have far too many inspection windows now.

A few more revs and that #2 cylinder head would look like the machine-turned aluminum on my dash!

 

[Mattrix]

Even if the piston is defect, but since you have a tune which exceeds factory tolerated pressure to the piston which causes piston failure. I hardly can see why Ford would want to warrant this because it's pretty cut and dry.
Feel sorry you have to go through this. I mean I always think if its worth it having a little bit better performance but risking problems like this.

The car was not tuned and they found no signs of a tune in the computer. Ford's official statement is warranty voided because of modifications. They are not pointing at any one thing, they are also not willing to come look at it to see if there was a possible defect. They're simply voiding the warranty because of mods in general. To all the people out there putting CAIs and tunes on theirs cars I hope you can afford a new motor. Unless you use a Roush CAI that is installed by an authorized dealership, you're voiding your warranty. I highly suggest you never take your car to the dealership with engine mods or tunes installed. Even if you go for an oil change or TSB notice your mods will be documented. Ford is cracking down and dealerships aren't in the business of getting burned on warranty claims.

What octaine where u using and did u have the knob turned up to 100%, I also have boostmax and pedalmax.. But this is about to have me remove them.Do u think this happened as a result of those parts?

I know I answered your PM but also want to let everyone see the response.

I do not believe it's the BoostMax but according to Ford it doesn't matter what I think. I've always used 93 octane, I didn't get the knob for mine because I knew I'd always use 93.

My suggestion would be to continue to enjoy your car as it is. If for some reason you ever need to take it to the dealership remove everything from it so they do not document it. Taking it in for an oil change with all those parts on it and they will note it in your record. If you have an engine blow have the car towed to your house and put it back to stock before you have Ford roadside assistance come get it.

 

[Mattrix]

Latest Update:

I'm still gathering some data about other cases like mine with this engine. I'm not the first one to have this exact problem and I doubt I'll be the last. I'm waiting for authorization from another owner to release his info to me so I can present it to Ford. That person's motor blew the exact same way and he had the JMS modules and a CAI like me. Ford came out and visually inspected his engine (no tear down) and they honored the warranty for him.

In my case Ford is looking at pics only and won't drive 35 miles up the road from Dearborn to inspect it. It's easiest for them to just say mods on the car void the warranty regardless of what actually caused the issue. If I was to take them to court they would only need to prove that their parts were not defective. They do not need to prove my mods caused it like I had previously thought. I've learned a lot from this situation and I hope others do too. I'm not giving up by any means but the car needs a motor and I'm not willing to let it sit around any longer.

I've given the dealership authorization to replace the motor. If they're able to get one soon I should have the car back in a week. The dealership has done everything they can to reduce the price of the parts and labor down from $8700 to $6700. This price includes them returning the block core and turbo core for refund. It also includes the $300 for tearing down the old motor for inspection.

Once the new engine is installed they'll take pictures and submit a form to Ford to have the engine warranty reinstated. I was able to get a much lower quote of $4700 from a friend but the only warranty I would of had was on the engine parts itself for 3 years and unlimited miles. If the motor was to blow again I'd have to pay for all the labor. With owing the dealership $300 regardless the price difference is $1700 but I feel it's worth it to have my 5yr/60K warranty that covers parts and labor.

I'll let you all know when the motor is in and the car is back on the road. From there I'll update the post as I find out more information about other people with the same issue and any progress I make with Ford. For all I know there is a problem with some of the engines and some day there could be a recall.

Thanks to all that have posted, I appreciate all the feedback. It has made me look at things from all the different angles and has helped me get to the point I'm at now. Hopefully this is a learning moment for everyone.

 

[4bangin]

Thanks for responding and sorry that happened to you. Where you stomping on it when it blew.. Or by chance did you stomp on it while in 6 th gear in sport mode?

 

[Mattrix]

Thanks for responding and sorry that happened to you. Where you stomping on it when it blew.. Or by chance did you stomp on it while in 6 th gear in sport mode?

Had just shifted to 3rd gear. I was on the way to the dealership to get a leaking oil hose replaced. I've heard of people having an issue with the high gear low RMP and stomping on it. If you follow subaruwrxfan on YouTube he had that issue and I guess it turned out to be a hose clamp coming loose. I did mention that to the dealership once I heard about it but it was of course to late they had removed all the hoses and have no record of it being a problem.

 

[J-chitown]

GAWD! This is pretty scary!
I wasn't even thinking of doing an intake after my research led me to believe its all snake oil but this really facilitates the decision even further, you get no real gains, most dealers will use it as a means to blow out your warranty and you pump extra dust and debris into your system.

Matrix its great that you kept the thread up to date with key information. That had to be hard getting a billion contrasting opinions all of the net on what to do. Although now we know the potential inherent risks because of your devotion.

What I have really taken from this is:

1. Make sure you have the budget to replace an engine before you even consider any MOD.

2. Even buying Ford performance parts won't save your ass. So why pay the premium at the dealer. Although if Roush does it, you ok:hail:Yaa right:shrug:!

3. Although "breaking in" a car is kinda old school thought from like the 50s when engine tolerances were shit compared to now. There is definitely
something to be gained by putting on some miles before you start modding. If there is a faulty part, 5-10k miles would hopefully weed it out.

4. If you do MOD your car, invest into a professional experienced tuner to decrease your odds of engine damage.

5. Prioritize with MODS that can be taken out prior to dealer visits.


BTW, how much are they estimating the engine swap will cost? Wait just saw you posted $6,700.00.

 

[J-chitown]

Latest Update:

I'm still gathering some data about other cases like mine with this engine. I'm not the first one to have this exact problem and I doubt I'll be the last. I'm waiting for authorization from another owner to release his info to me so I can present it to Ford. That person's motor blew the exact same way and he had the JMS modules and a CAI like me. Ford came out and visually inspected his engine (no tear down) and they honored the warranty for him.

I wonder how much this is starting to point to that specific combo of MODS is really risky. You found the exact same case with the exact same out come, never one to believe in coincidences:doh:. I know I'm the new dumb ass around here but doesn't this really help further indicate that this issue is user error vs a Ford manufacturing defect of sorts?

I know whats important to you is the fact that this guy claims Ford replaced everything. Although do you really know that's true, there are a lot of malicious fcks that only admit what keeps them in a positive light.:gossip: Reminds me of all the gamblers I know that are always talking about how much they win and yet "why are you so brooooke!?" Hopefully he really does have the paperwork to back it up..Good lucks.

Anyway, if the dealer truly has the main say if the warranty goes through-- shit, I would of met the mechanic at the local bar prior to all of it and gave him $500 to push the warranty card and forget about the MODS. Thats what living in Chicago teaches you, shady politics....addle:

 

[Mattrix]

The original quote was $8617. The GM of the dealership is eating some labor and selling me the parts near cost. I'll be paying $6714.10 out the door.

 

[Mattrix]

I wonder how much this is starting to point to that specific combo of MODS is really risky. You found the exact same case with the exact same out come, never one to believe in coincidences:doh:. I know I'm the new dumb ass around here but doesn't this really help further indicate that this issue is user error vs a Ford manufacturing defect of sorts?

I know whats important to you is the fact that this guy claims Ford replaced everything. Although do you really know that's true, there are a lot of malicious fcks that only admit what keeps them in a positive light.:gossip: Reminds me of all the gamblers I know that are always talking about how much they win and yet "why are you so brooooke!?"

Anyway, if the dealer truly has the main say if the warranty goes through-- shit, I would of met the mechanic at the local bar prior to all of it and gave him $500 to push the warranty card and forget about the MODS. Thats what living in Chicago teaches you, shady politics....addle:

There are also customers that had the same problem and had zero mods. I have contacts throughout the industry from aftermarket shops to other dealerships. I'm getting good data, just trying to get the proof on paper now.

 

[jasonstang]

The car was not tuned and they found no signs of a tune in the computer. Ford's official statement is warranty voided because of modifications. They are not pointing at any one thing, they are also not willing to come look at it to see if there was a possible defect. They're simply voiding the warranty because of mods in general. To all the people out there putting CAIs and tunes on theirs cars I hope you can afford a new motor. Unless you use a Roush CAI that is installed by an authorized dealership, you're voiding your warranty. I highly suggest you never take your car to the dealership with engine mods or tunes installed. Even if you go for an oil change or TSB notice your mods will be documented. Ford is cracking down and dealerships aren't in the business of getting burned on warranty claims.

When I say tuned I mean it's working outside factory specs. The BoostMAX is running the engine on higher boost which is outside factory specs.

 

[Mattrix]

When I say tuned I mean it's working outside factory specs. The BoostMAX is running the engine on higher boost which is outside factory specs.

Gotcha ya. Needless to say the BoostMax and PedalMax will not be hooked up when I get the car back. The only engine mod will be the Roush CAI installed by the dealership and not voiding the new warranty. I'll be doing some handling mods and visual stuff only once I pay off the credit card this engine is going on.

 

[J-chitown]

There are also customers that had the same problem and had zero mods.

Those would be the people I would gather information from first, not the dude with the MODS that blew his engine too. Although I feel like your going to be spending a lot of frustrating time trying to fight a billion dollar corp when your already putting up the money to replace the engine, if you had more time to wait it out, maybe but once they have your money, IME its going to be that much harder to re-coupe.

At those prices I was thinking, wouldn't it make sense to buy MAP's block and have the base for more reliable power, since that's what you wanted in the first place? Sure no more warranty but hell, you bought this car to MOD it.

Seriously after all of this, how do you feel about it all? Not being a smart ass, just wondering if you plan to never mod a car again or?

One thing you said although a bit humorous was in line w just waiting for the 2017 GT350. IMO for my needs, I can't see myself needing much more power and performance out of a car then that. Of course way more money.
My Eco has 300miles on it so Ive learned my lesson on this thread. I think..:headbonk:My thoughts are the safest thing is a Cat back exhaust. Sound fast, be a lil fast, keep the warranty. Take the 2k you were going to spend on mods and put it towards the 350..

 

[J-chitown]

Gotcha ya. Needless to say the BoostMax and PedalMax will not be hooked up when I get the car back. The only engine mod will be the Roush CAI installed by the dealership and not voiding the new warranty. I'll be doing some handling mods and visual stuff only once I pay off the credit card this engine is going on.

I wouldn't even waste the money on this CAI or any CAI. The gains they are claiming are just out right ludicrous! Talk to real experienced performace junkies and they laugh at CAI's to add noticeable power. Again, the new guy around here but I spent like a week researching them and concluded they are truly snake oil for performance (actually can degrade performance a lil) without more dynamic parts and a tune to make use of the better air flow its not a good choice... Your not stupid enough to get a tune at this point. :frusty: and you know Ford if they decide can void your warranty even with the Roush turd, so why risk it?! Buy some nice 20's and call it a day until there more on less risky ways to actually add power to this platform. Here is what you have to consider, if you, knew what you knew now, you would of never added the first MODS, so just know that you still don't know enough about mods to really determine the risk.

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