Ecoboost Engine Blown?

[brandonsmash]

Because I am a drivetrain specialist and I confirmed myself after disassembly of the pto that it wasn't at fault. It was also confirmed by munci which they sent a tech to our shop and also confirmed it wants a faulty pto. Don't judge me without knowing me or being here for yourself. You can tell me how great the 5 and 6 speeds are in these trucks, but in a F550 cab and chassis truck we have had 4 of them that have sequencing vin numbers. So it's a tranny problem. Not a pto. It's proven 4 times. It's funny how you lecture me on a fleet of 400+ vehicles and 4 have the exact same failure and sequencing vin numbers. And tell me it's not a tranny issue when the other trucks have had no issues. Hmmmm. So now you are telling me a up fitter should foot the $7800.00 bill for each vehicle. Well MR FORD. why don't you explain that to the dealership. By the way. I worked with 3 different local ford dealers and all the same results. I could go on but im busy.

I'm well aware how the system works.

Look through his history -- dude's obviously a troll.

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[1BadAss16CS]

I can tell you that you went to the wrong dealer.

I personally would NEVER take my car back to that dealer again. They are jags, IMO. I have family that work at a few Ford dealerships in the service departments. One is a service manager and the other is a writer. And I can tell you for for fact they would let me return my car to stock if is was modded at all. Dealers are the ones who make that call... it stops there. There is absolutely no reason for them to tell Ford about your mods EXCEPT for them to line their own pockets....

What does that mean? I'll tell you why... warranty work doesn't pay the dealership as much as service work. Once they knew you modded...they saw dollar signs. F them. Find a new dealership. Don't ever go back there.

 

[347CobraII]

I can tell you that you went to the wrong dealer.

I personally would NEVER take my car back to that dealer again. They are jags, IMO. I have family that work at a few Ford dealerships in the service departments. One is a service manager and the other is a writer. And I can tell you for for fact they would let me return my car to stock if is was modded at all. Dealers are the ones who make that call... it stops there. There is absolutely no reason for them to tell Ford about your mods EXCEPT for them to line their own pockets....

What does that mean? I'll tell you why... warranty work doesn't pay the dealership as much as service work. Once they knew you modded...they saw dollar signs. F them. Find a new dealership. Don't ever go back there.

Call BS...


Dealer didn't make the call Ford did after they reported everything to Ford. You think taking mods off will protect you even if you have family working there it won't. More and more manufacturers ask for downloads, pics, and parts back. Ford may pay at first then nail them on the back end. Guess who left holding the bag the dealer not the Ford or owner. Yet owner goes around I got this covered by warranty have no clue what happens afterwards

 

[FordTechOne]

Because I am a drivetrain specialist and I confirmed myself after disassembly of the pto that it wasn't at fault. It was also confirmed by munci which they sent a tech to our shop and also confirmed it wants a faulty pto. Don't judge me without knowing me or being here for yourself. You can tell me how great the 5 and 6 speeds are in these trucks, but in a F550 cab and chassis truck we have had 4 of them that have sequencing vin numbers. So it's a tranny problem. Not a pto. It's proven 4 times. It's funny how you lecture me on a fleet of 400+ vehicles and 4 have the exact same failure and sequencing vin numbers. And tell me it's not a tranny issue when the other trucks have had no issues. Hmmmm. So now you are telling me a up fitter should foot the $7800.00 bill for each vehicle. Well MR FORD. why don't you explain that to the dealership. By the way. I worked with 3 different local ford dealers and all the same results. I could go on but im busy.

I'm well aware how the system works.

A "drivetrain specialist" according to who? Are you Ford Certified? I'm not "judging" anything, I'm simply asking about your credentials in regards to your personal determination of the root cause of the failure. And who is "Munci"? The upfitter who makes the PTO? If that's the case, of course will deny that their PTO was the root cause of the issue!!

How exactly did you determine that the PTO wasn't at fault and that the transmission was? Once again, if this was a transmission issue, it would be widespread considering the amount of vehicles in service that are upfitted with PTOs. Which means the other 400 trucks you claim to service would have experienced the same failure as well, but yet they haven't.

I always find it interesting when aftermarket upfitters try to blame failures on the manufacturer when those failure ONLY affect the vehicles that they modified, and not any stock vehicles.

 

[FordTechOne]

I can tell you that you went to the wrong dealer.

I personally would NEVER take my car back to that dealer again. They are jags, IMO. I have family that work at a few Ford dealerships in the service departments. One is a service manager and the other is a writer. And I can tell you for for fact they would let me return my car to stock if is was modded at all. Dealers are the ones who make that call... it stops there. There is absolutely no reason for them to tell Ford about your mods EXCEPT for them to line their own pockets....

What does that mean? I'll tell you why... warranty work doesn't pay the dealership as much as service work. Once they knew you modded...they saw dollar signs. F them. Find a new dealership. Don't ever go back there.

No reason? It's called a CHARGE BACK. That means is the dealer performs warranty work on your vehicle and your modifications were the result of the failure, the DEALER needs to eat the cost of the repairs. It's not the "dealer's call" on whether something is warranty of not. There are specific guidelines set out by the manufacturer.

What business would take that risk? It has nothing to do with making money and everything to do with protecting themselves.

 

[1BadAss16CS]

Call BS...


Dealer didn't make the call Ford did after they reported everything to Ford. You think taking mods off will protect you even if you have family working there it won't. More and more manufacturers ask for downloads, pics, and parts back. Ford may pay at first then nail them on the back end. Guess who left holding the bag the dealer not the Ford or owner. Yet owner goes around I got this covered by warranty have no clue what happens afterwards

Call BS all you want.

I can tell you from first hand experience. One of our relatives had a Cobra that he was spraying the shit out of it...Blew the engine. Ford replaced the entire engine under warranty.

And FordTechOne.... Read what I said again. The dealer doesn't have to report mods if they choose not to. They could of gave the guy a chance to de-mod the vehicle. I also said, my family members who work for Ford would of had me return the car to stock before going for a warranty repair. Also, I know all about how the dealer warranty system works. If you read closely what I posted... I said the dealer makes more money off a service repair vs warranty.... THAT IS THE REASON. I didn't say no reason.

 

[FordTechOne]

Call BS all you want.

I can tell you from first hand experience. One of our relatives had a Cobra that he was spraying the shit out of it...Blew the engine. Ford replaced the entire engine under warranty.

And I can tell you that's called WARRANTY FRAUD, and it's the reason that the price of new cars continues to rise and manufacturers continue to investigate more and more warranty claims. It's also illegal, with punishments ranging from heavy fines to prison time. Yet you're proud of that? :tsk:

And FordTechOne.... Read what I said again. The dealer doesn't have to report mods if they choose not to. They could of gave the guy a chance to de-mod the vehicle. I also said, my family members who work for Ford would of had me return the car to stock before going for a warranty repair. Also, I know all about how the dealer warranty system works. If you read closely what I posted... I said the dealer makes more money off a service repair vs warranty.... THAT IS THE REASON. I didn't say no reason.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about manufacturer to dealership relations; you need to stop listening to your clueless family members who you claim "work for Ford". Per the agreement between the manufacturer and the franchise (dealer), the dealer is required to follow the warranty guidelines outlined by the manufacturer. That means if they perform warranty work on a modified car and the manufacturer finds out through any means (field representative, contacts to the tech support center, even the internet), the dealership will be CHARGED BACK for the full amount of the claim, and possibly even penalized further depending on the extent of the violations. No dealer is going to risk that; it has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory of making more money off of customer pay repairs.

 

[1BadAss16CS]

And I can tell you that's called WARRANTY FRAUD, and it's the reason that the price of new cars continues to rise and manufacturers continue to investigate more and more warranty claims. It's also illegal, with punishments ranging from heavy fines to prison time. Yet you're proud of that? :tsk:



You obviously know absolutely nothing about manufacturer to dealership relations; you need to stop listening to your clueless family members who you claim "work for Ford". Per the agreement between the manufacturer and the franchise (dealer), the dealer is required to follow the warranty guidelines outlined by the manufacturer. That means if they perform warranty work on a modified car and the manufacturer finds out through any means (field representative, contacts to the tech support center, even the internet), the dealership will be CHARGED BACK for the full amount of the claim, and possibly even penalized further depending on the extent of the violations. No dealer is going to risk that; it has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory of making more money off of customer pay repairs.

Get off your high horse dude.

 

[FordTechOne]

Get off your high horse dude.

Learn what you're talking about before you try and convince people of things, DUDE.

 

[1BadAss16CS]

Learn what you're talking about before you try and convince people of things, DUDE.

I don't need to learn jack shit from you. addle: And "dude" was a subsitute for dick. Was just trying to me nice. :lol:

Do me a favor. When you wake up tomorrow, call up Anderson Ford. Ask them how many modded Mustangs they have repaired under warranty.

Here is the link.

http://www.anderson-ford.com/motorsport/installation-center

 

[FordTechOne]

I don't need to learn jack shit from you. addle: And "dude" was a subsitute for dick. Was just trying to me nice. :lol:

Do me a favor. When you wake up tomorrow, call up Anderson Ford. Ask them how many modded Mustangs they have repaired under warranty.

Here is the link.

http://www.anderson-ford.com/motorsport/installation-center

You have a lot to learn. The sooner you realize that and stop talking about things you have no clue about, the better. Calling names will not get you anywhere in life; you sound like you are about 16 years old.

When a dealer (or anyone else) modifies a component on a vehicle, they void the warranty on that component and every other system directly affected by that modified component. It's not that hard to understand how a warranty works, the manufacturer is not going to pay for repairs caused by aftermarket modifications. Nor should they.

Attempting to submit warranty claims for failures induced by aftermarket components is called warranty fraud, and it's illegal. If "Anderson Ford Motorsports" modifies a vehicle and a failure occurs that is related to the modifications, it's non-warrantable. I'm not sure how many ways I can try and explain the facts to you; obviously you just aren't getting it.

 

[1BadAss16CS]

You have a lot to learn. The sooner you realize that and stop talking about things you have no clue about, the better. Calling names will not get you anywhere in life; you sound like you are about 16 years old.

When a dealer (or anyone else) modifies a component on a vehicle, they void the warranty on that component and every other system directly affected by that modified component. It's not that hard to understand how a warranty works, the manufacturer is not going to pay for repairs caused by aftermarket modifications. Nor should they.

Attempting to submit warranty claims for failures induced by aftermarket components is called warranty fraud, and it's illegal. If "Anderson Ford Motorsports" modifies a vehicle and a failure occurs that is related to the modifications, it's non-warrantable. I'm not sure how many ways I can try and explain the facts to you; obviously you just aren't getting it.

Don't worry, your insults were taken the same manner, that's why I said dude instead of dick the first time.

You don't need to explain how warranty works. I know exactly how it works. I've been around the business for years along with my "clueless family" I also know how the magnuson moss warranty act works. Btw, when exactly did you examine the OP's car and lead to believe his mods caused the failure? Did you prove that somewhere I didn't read? Just wondering. But, my guess is you are just speculating.

If you want to make some minor mods to your car and have a failure that is unproven to be the root cause and get a warranty voided be my guest. I'm sure there are many more people like myself that would like to be proven wrong before being denied warranty.

 

[18psi]

What part of "don't mod your car, at all, or we will deny warranty" that's stated on most/all warranties puts the burden of proof on the manufacturer to pay hundreds/thousands of dollars to prove you right?

I want to agree with you. I really do. I'm sure everyone here wants you to be right, and to mod our cars, and have Ford pick up the tab if something goes wrong. But you're not.

 

[1BadAss16CS]

What part of "don't mod your car, at all, or we will deny warranty" that's stated on most/all warranties puts the burden of proof on the manufacturer to pay hundreds/thousands of dollars to prove you right?
.

This > magnuson moss warranty act

You can read more here > https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2011/01/ftc-validates-right-to-install-aftermarket-parts

 

[18psi]

Oh yeah, that really helped all these guys paying out of pocket for their blown engines.
So helpful

*edit:
here's the best part:

Tips To Avoid Warranty Issues

Here's how to get the most out of your vehicle's warranty:

• Complain. If you think a dealer's service advisor denied your warranty claim unfairly, ask to speak with a supervisor. If you still aren't satisfied, contact the manufacturer or go to another dealer. You also may wish to file a complaint with your state Attorney General, local consumer protection office, or the FTC.

Thanks for your help, it's invaluable.

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