EB Mustang Tuning Progression

[Livernois Motorsports]

To be honest, props to you guys. I am amazed so far with what you`ve done to the car. I do wonder however, if you guys plan to offer any power packs? As I am getting an Ecoboost early next year and do wish to give it a full bolt ons and a tune treatment. You know, I'd love to be able to have a single purchase on a kit which comes with an upgraded Intake, intercooler, full catback exhaust and tune...

I`m looking for the option of a power pack or performance kit as some would call it. Would you guys offer something similar? A reliable and obtainable +400hp and +400lbs tq DD with a bolt on kit and tune.

First off, thank you very much for the compliment!

Like stated earlier, you have to stay tuned to see what Santa is pulling out of the stable over the next 2 weeks or so.

All that I am going to divulge is that you the family can gather around a smokey burnout instead of the same old fireplace!

One thing that we do want to make you guys aware of is the "need" for an upgraded intercooler. Even in our world record running 11.80 passes we were running the FACTORY intercooler. An upgraded intercooler system is not needed until the stock turbo system is no longer thermally efficient. With ACCURATE tuning the likelihood of the street car reaching that level is unlikely.

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[mbreinin]

One thing that we do want to make you guys aware of is the "need" for an upgraded intercooler. Even in our world record running 11.80 passes we were running the FACTORY intercooler. An upgraded intercooler system is not needed until the stock turbo system is no longer thermally efficient. With ACCURATE tuning the likelihood of the street car reaching that level is unlikely.

The IATs are way too high. The intercooler is inefficient, as is the turbo at boost levels needed to really run.

Mike

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

The IATs are way too high. The intercooler is inefficient, as is the turbo at boost levels needed to really run.

Mike

Valid (earlier) points Mike, but that is also part of the reasoning for our 160° EvenFlo thermostat.

http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/products/2015-2.3L-EcoBoost-Mustang-Thermostat.html

 

[mbreinin]

Valid (earlier) points Mike, but that is also part of the reasoning for our 160° EvenFlo thermostat.

http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/products/2015-2.3L-EcoBoost-Mustang-Thermostat.html

Can you explain precisely what lowering the coolant temp does for the IATs? Less heatsoak on the engine? Turbo center section stays cooler?

I think if you are running in really good air, and the car is cold, and you don't have to sit in a staging lane and heatsoak the engine and everything under the hood, you can get away with the stock intercooler for a pass. But, those conditions are rarely encountered outside of a track rental.

Mike

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Can you explain precisely what lowering the coolant temp does for the IATs? Less heatsoak on the engine? Turbo center section stays cooler?

I think if you are running in really good air, and the car is cold, and you don't have to sit in a staging lane and heatsoak the engine and everything under the hood, you can get away with the stock intercooler for a pass. But, those conditions are rarely encountered outside of a track rental.

Mike

The thermostat is meant to increase efficiency, consistency, and allows the engine to stay in it's optimal range for performance more often. Heat soak is a huge issue with all of the EcoBoost vehicles. This is part of the reason why the performance pack EcoBoost Mustang includes an upgraded radiator. Our thermostat just ensures that the cooling system is less taxed.

 

[Gtp0713]

The thermostat is meant to increase efficiency, consistency, and allows the engine to stay in it's optimal range for performance more often. Heat soak is a huge issue with all of the EcoBoost vehicles. This is part of the reason why the performance pack EcoBoost Mustang includes an upgraded radiator. Our thermostat just ensures that the cooling system is less taxed.

How about those of us who arent getting the PP Ecoboost. As where I live, we can't order the performance pack unfortuantely. So we still have the stock sized intercooler in any case. Would that thermostst still do the trick on the non PP Ecoboost models? IATs would still be an issue there would it not? Which is why I ask about the power pack with upgrades. Dont need a turbo upgrade, but the rest would seem logical/reasonable to me for more efficient power from a stock application.

 

[Kbreese]

First off, thank you very much for the compliment!

Like stated earlier, you have to stay tuned to see what Santa is pulling out of the stable over the next 2 weeks or so.

All that I am going to divulge is that you the family can gather around a smokey burnout instead of the same old fireplace!

One thing that we do want to make you guys aware of is the "need" for an upgraded intercooler. Even in our world record running 11.80 passes we were running the FACTORY intercooler. An upgraded intercooler system is not needed until the stock turbo system is no longer thermally efficient. With ACCURATE tuning the likelihood of the street car reaching that level is unlikely.

Confused now, because everything else I've read says that's the big weak link with these cars and that the IAT's are way too high, so the car keeps pulling a ton of timing and losing power. For people driving their car in real world conditions in traffic in summer heat etc etc I would think this would be a real issue as opposed to one track run on a cool night.

 

[mbreinin]

Confused now, because everything else I've read says that's the big weak link with these cars and that the IAT's are way too high, so the car keeps pulling a ton of timing and losing power. For people driving their car in real world conditions in traffic in summer heat etc etc I would think this would be a real issue as opposed to one track run on a cool night.

In my experience, you are correct. This is exactly what I observed. When a car is operating in negative timing during a 1/4 mile pass, not only is it not making power, but the negative timing is making more heat. I was seeing as much as -7 degrees out the back in 4th gear. That is absurd. You could run C16 with these IATs, C16 likes it hot, but I am sure most people don't want to futz with race gas and most don't want to pull the cat either. Those IATs need to come down in order to get this car to make consistent power. I observed a one tenth reduction in ET and mph for every degree of timing that was pulled. So, putting two and two together, I can speculate how much timing you would need to get this car to run hard.


Mike

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

How about those of us who arent getting the PP Ecoboost. As where I live, we can't order the performance pack unfortuantely. So we still have the stock sized intercooler in any case. Would that thermostst still do the trick on the non PP Ecoboost models? IATs would still be an issue there would it not? Which is why I ask about the power pack with upgrades. Dont need a turbo upgrade, but the rest would seem logical/reasonable to me for more efficient power from a stock application.

Yes, our thermostat would still do the trick in this case.

 

[mbreinin]

The thermostat is meant to increase efficiency, consistency, and allows the engine to stay in it's optimal range for performance more often. Heat soak is a huge issue with all of the EcoBoost vehicles. This is part of the reason why the performance pack EcoBoost Mustang includes an upgraded radiator. Our thermostat just ensures that the cooling system is less taxed.

Do you have any evidence of a reduction in IATs? I would be interested in the thermostat if there was a proven benefit to it. If it was worth, for example, a reduction of 20 degrees in IATs, I would be ordering it today.

Mike

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

The reduction was there, but we aren't talking 20°. Basically, by having less underhood heat, and the engine itself running cooler, the radiant heat around everything was reduced.

We see these types of problems all of the time with the EcoBoost platforms, we spend a great deal of timing finding a great deal of power at safe, and manageable boost levels, which allows the IAT's to be in the safe zone where you want it to be for a much greater time.

The thermostat only helps IAT's by the fact that the less heat you can have in one part automatically reduces the heat everywhere.

 

[wireless]

I've noticed my non-PP has cooling issues -- going up a hill, or in traffic, my coolant temps climb to upwards of 212F. I'm curious how the upgraded radiator helps..

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

I've noticed my non-PP has cooling issues -- going up a hill, or in traffic, my coolant temps climb to upwards of 212F. I'm curious how the upgraded radiator helps..

212 is actually normal operating tempurature. Not what Ford would consider anywhere near excessive. The thermostat would do more to help than the radiator would.
http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/products/2015-2.3L-EcoBoost-Mustang-Thermostat.html

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

I would think the lower temp thermostat pulls heat from the chamber faster, so there's less residual heat already there from the last cycle. This would help control total heat in the chamber for the next cycle, even though you'd still be recording high IATs.

 

[wireless]

212 is actually normal operating tempurature. Not what Ford would consider anywhere near excessive. The thermostat would do more to help than the radiator would.
http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/products/2015-2.3L-EcoBoost-Mustang-Thermostat.html

Haha, let me rephrase -- it fluctuates a LOT -- it consistently goes from 180-212F depending on my driving.

Ah well. Was just curious... not sure if it's in real time, but it seems to be. I think it's

I would think the lower temp thermostat pulls heat from the chamber faster, so there's less residual heat already there from the last cycle. This would help control total heat in the chamber for the next cycle, even though you'd still be recording high IATs.

True, good sir

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