Do all 2016 Mustangs come with California Emissions?

[jbailer]

I am sure that there is a ranch in Idaho where you can strip off all of your CA emission systems...shoot any stray dogs and whiny neighbor kids, while complaining that you can't get your lung cancer meds fast enough from one of those elitist companies in one of the libural coastal states.

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[ElAviator72]

I don't understand your question.

The California Air Resources Board, also known as CARB.

I have a 2015 EB that was purchased in a non-CA Emissions state that has the same entry. CALIFORNIA EMISSIONS SYSTEM - NO CHARGE

Okay, the guy I was responding to asserted that "The EPA has made the CARB Rules the federal law for 2016 emissions" (or something to that affect, I'm paraphrasing).

If that's the case, then there is no need to even include that line on a window sticker in a 2016 car ;)

EDIT: and I went to the website of a Texas dealer, and pulled up a window sticker of a Mustang in stock. No California Emission System showing on a 2016 Ecoboost there!

 

[jbailer]

Okay, the guy I was responding to asserted that "The EPA has made the CARB Rules the federal law for 2016 emissions" (or something to that affect, I'm paraphrasing).

If that's the case, then there is no need to even include that line on a window sticker in a 2016 car ;)

EDIT: and I went to the website of a Texas dealer, and pulled up a window sticker of a Mustang in stock. No California Emission System showing on a 2016 Ecoboost there!

Very interesting. I wonder if the VIN was pulled up in Ford's system if it would say it has CA emissions? Maybe it's like you said, no need to put it on the window sticker? I was starting to think all of the EBs had CA emissions.

 

[DiPsTiCk]

You havent seen hostile. I prefer to think that my hate for this crappy state keeps me warm at night.

Show me a hipster driving their POS Prius in the fast lane barely going the speed limit while trying to be self appointed enforcer/cop of the entire road way, while traffic is trying to do 10-15 mph faster than them, and I will tell you my real opinion.

This "peace&love" socialistic crap, with everyone so overly concerned about what everyone else is doing, is what lead to driving people out of this state in the first place. You wonder why states around the country hate Californians? It is because the same people responsible for ruining this state move on, like locusts, to better states that are more affordable to live and then promptly ruin them too.

As for why there are CARB compliant cars made as standard? Because that is how much influence this state has on other states which have adopted Ca. style smog laws.

It isnt enough that the EPA have a set of regulations, not for California, no there needs to be more stringent standards...

Try looking into what CARB wants to implement with OBD III...

Let's throw in a gas additive that nobody in the country uses and does nothing except make our gas more expensive. Hell give out tax credits for hybrids and electric cars as well but when taxes collected are no longer as high, due to reduced fuel consumption, let's raise the rates of yearly registration and also gear up for registration based on miles driven in a year.

California has declared war on those of us who use gasoline.

And here is a little piece of advice to remember. California's progressive crap usually filters it's way to the rest of the country eventually. And that is how CARB style emissions got on all the cars, basically if it can pass here it can pass anywhere due to CARB setting the bar so high.


If you abolish half the things I have cited in my rants you might be able to save this state. Otherwise everyone is just trying to live long enough to make it to retirement so that they can get the hell out and move some place where there might be some freedom left to enjoy before they die.

 

[ATLalien]

I live in GA, my car came from VA and it had the California emissions line item as well. So did my previous S197 (2012)

 

[Kahboom]

All 2015+ mustangs have the same emission devices, all use federal approved cats, only certain states required a certificate, so ford opted to only pay certificates for those cars that needed them. Reduces assembly cost if its all the same.

 

[ElAviator72]

All 2015+ mustangs have the same emission devices, all use federal approved cats, only certain states required a certificate, so ford opted to only pay certificates for those cars that needed them. Reduces assembly cost if its all the same.

But makes it a royal pain for car buyers that purchase cars out of state and try to bring them back to their home state :doh:

So if there's no physical difference, and a car purchased in TX would have passed the roller test up here in Oregon.... :frusty::frusty::frusty: Can't turn back time, and the 3 months I was forced to drive a Toyota Yaris while I was waiting for my '16 to get built. They had the car I ordered in stock at a dealership in my home town while I was home for Christmas addle:

So what, this Certificate is just a paper certification that Ford buys from CARB to say "I pass California Emissions :headbonk:?

 

[BiloxiFun]

There is a difference unless I can't read?

This is under my hood in my 2016.

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[ElAviator72]

There is a difference unless I can't read?

This is under my hood in my 2016.

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It sounds like the difference is that Ford paid the Emissions Cabal (CARB) the "price of admission" on cars going to states that require CA emissions :lol:

 

[BiloxiFun]

Yeah, my window sticker doesn't have anything about CA emissions like the other listed. Ah well.

 

[ElAviator72]

I actually dug up a document online:

https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/3-steps-hmc-certdoc.pdf

If you don't want to read it, the gist of it is that you have to pay CARB a fee, PER VEHICLE CERTIFIED, to say a vehicle has "California emissions" :doh: What a racket :rant:

 

[uglygun]

I actually dug up a document online:

https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/3-steps-hmc-certdoc.pdf

If you don't want to read it, the gist of it is that you have to pay CARB a fee, PER VEHICLE CERTIFIED, to say a vehicle has "California emissions" :doh: What a racket :rant:

Really?

You mean the emissions based headers I had on my car with an EGR port were not okay because they were not CARB certified despite the car previously passing the sniffer just fine?

But by switching to a CARB approved header, that is basically the exact same damn thing, I am suddenly okay because now I pass a visual inspection too...

They dont care about the sniffer/emissions nearly as much as they care about getting their money to get a part approved.

 

[ElAviator72]

You know,

If there's any lawyers in the room, sounds like grounds for a lawsuit.

CARB is technically impeding interstate commerce, because if there is absolutely no difference between a car purchased in California and one in Texas (except that Ford paid CARB a fee to say "California Emissions"), then they are impeding interstate commerce ;)

It is especially difficult for me, in a neutral third state, to wrap my mind around the fact that Ford has to pay a state agency in California so that my car is legal for sale here. I can understand paying CARB to certify (by testing) that a car passes California Emissions, but to require a fee to basically "paper certify" (and this is exactly what it is called in airplanes!) certain cars is beyond ridiculous addle:

 

[Old 5 Oh]

Nope. My GT Performance Package says.. not for sale in CA. My boyfriend and I chuckled about that. I can probably take a picture of it later for proof.

^^^This.

Cars delivered in about 13 states come with CA emissions. Others . . . don't. If your state requires CA emissions compliance, don't buy a car that doesn't have the CA emissions sticker.

 

[jbailer]

^^^This.

Cars delivered in about 13 states come with CA emissions. Others . . . don't. If your state requires CA emissions compliance, don't buy a car that doesn't have the CA emissions sticker.

That's what you would think but these are the states that have adopted CARB; Arizona, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

My car was delivered to a dealer in Virginia. I just happened to live in Maryland and took the car because it had all of the features I wanted. So it's more than just cars in those 13 states.

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