disappointed

[Competition Orange]

installed a set of Koni's. Huge improvement for not a huge amount of money.

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[Commbubba19]

It's also painfully apparent that most people are pointing the finger at the bushings instead of the correct location: terrible dampers, both base and PP.

That is true as well but cost is a factor.

I understand all of the development and product sharing that goes on between platforms to save costs.

However - some costs are cut too much. Other choices made for who knows why.

Again the frustration is that everyone says it's bang for buck and worth it. I agree. The GT is a great bang for buck, but that's no excuse for piss design where it's not necessary.

Better bushings that Ford already has and sells and includes in the PP/GT350 should be standard on all models. Period. The cost savings is minimal or should simply be added to the price.

Saying that I got the base GT so i shouldn't expect top performance is the stupidest reason I've ever heard. Again, the development is already done, Ford has the parts.

For the main stream, they have the v6 and I4. Put the crappy bushings in there, but the GT's should by default get the better suspension. Especially when buyers have no clue what the PP kit includes. All that is listed is springs, radiator, brakes, and wheels. Talk about bowing down to the least common idiot.

 

[Evil Minion]

Apologist much?

Ah, I see you missed the point.

FYI, this is my first and last Ford purchase, but for other reasons.

 

[Azzurro]

I too bought an automatic equipped GT premium and experienced the bounce and bottoming on high speed dips from the rear. I purchased a set of used PP springs because I didn't want the car lowered and installed a set of Koni's. Huge improvement for not a huge amount of money. I'm in the tire and repair business and have driven plenty of high end sports cars. Can't touch my car for the money as far as performance and comfort goes.

Doing the same thing. My Koni's arrived yesterday and my BMR 089/082 progressive springs arrive next week. I knew going in the Mustang suspension wasn't going to be anywhere near the BMW adaptive suspension.

The Mustang was almost $20,000 cheaper (three years later) though so I knew that I was going to have to mod the car to get the suspension where it needs to be. I really get both sides of the argument here.

 

[Competition Orange]

Ah, I see you missed the point.

FYI, this is my first and last Ford purchase, but for other reasons.

Not even a little bit. This was my first modern Ford (3 Second Gen Tauri, 2 SHOs in high school) and I'd buy another if they keep up the same formula. I will say I'd pay more for a better out of the box product, though, something similar to the 1LE in performance (handling/braking/tire).

I find the initial quality to be pretty terrible (superficial stuff like panel alignment, squeaks, rattles, etc). I find the overall car to be great though, especially vs price.

 

[daltron]

Saying that I got the base GT so i shouldn't expect top performance is the stupidest reason I've ever heard.

No, you shouldn't expect top performance because you didn't pay for it :doh: Just like I shouldn't expect GT350 performance because I didn't pay for it.

 

[Competition Orange]

No, you shouldn't expect top performance because you didn't pay for it :doh: Just like I shouldn't expect GT350 performance because I didn't pay for it.

To be fair, even the PP leaves a LOT to be desired in a performance package. I'm not the only one that agrees, most mags think so too. It's already cheaper, throw the book at it, or offer a "track" pack on top of the PP, for another 2k? and really go to town on the suspension and wheel/tires. A 4500-5k package that gives the GT350 mag suspension and sways, and wheel widths on MPSS? Yes please.

They would sell a lot of those, I'd suspect.

 

[daltron]

To be fair, even the PP leaves a LOT to be desired in a performance package.

I agree (heck I have almost the entire Steeda suspension catalogue on my car...) but for $35K or whatever it is with the PP you are hard pressed to find anything better. My point is, this guy didn't even buy the PP package then complains about the car's performance. If you bought a base GT, where else does 32K get you that performance?

 

[Competition Orange]

I agree (heck I have almost the entire Steeda suspension catalogue on my car...) but for $35K or whatever it is with the PP you are hard pressed to find anything better. My point is, this guy didn't even buy the PP package then complains about the car's performance. If you bought a base GT, where else does 32K get you that performance?

Understood. Its less about the competition and more about optimizing an already good product.

Splitting hairs and making my Friday afternoon go faster!

 

[ForTehNguyen]

thats why I never get the base model of anything, for not a lot more the perf package is a huge upgrade for the price. I cant imagine how badly this car would handle with 235 square all season junk tires

 

[Commbubba19]

I agree (heck I have almost the entire Steeda suspension catalogue on my car...) but for $35K or whatever it is with the PP you are hard pressed to find anything better. My point is, this guy didn't even buy the PP package then complains about the car's performance. If you bought a base GT, where else does 32K get you that performance?

you're missing my point.

there are tons of performance cars out there with auto transmissions.

ford alienated those folks by not allowing the PP option for auto's

General ride compliance from the springs/shocks must be tuned for each model due to weight and many other factors.

however - ford chose to put crappy bushings in every model except the top teir gt350 and GTPP.

So because i want an auto i have to have the shitty bushings everywhere in the car.

The other factor you guys seem to be overlooking is that again, just because cost is x, doesn't mean design/quality should suffer. It's not an excuse, it's simply accepted by the consumer.

It's advertised and sold as a performance car. Therefore it shouldn't ride like a luxury car. Soft spring A doesn't cost any less than 5% stiffer spring B. Crappy rubber bushing A costs pennies less than stiffer better rubber bushing B.


Oh, and name similar handling cars for this price point? There are tons.

15 Evo GSR/MR
STI/WRX
BRZ
328
370z
Miata


All of these vehicles are either similarly priced or cheaper than a S550. All of these vehicles inherently offer better handling than the S550.


Even older mustangs like the S197 and SN95 didn't need as many bushings as this car does just to handle correctly and safely. I think Ford Racing offers a performance bushing replacement for pretty much the entire suspension. That speaks volumes to me that they put shit bushings in the car to begin with and then said "hey, let's offer the good stuff and make people pay for it"

What you guys don't realize is you're paying for a shiny turd and are proud of it.

 

[daltron]

Oh, and name similar handling cars for this price point? There are tons.

15 Evo GSR/MR
STI/WRX
BRZ
328
370z
Miata


All of these vehicles are either similarly priced or cheaper than a S550. All of these vehicles inherently offer better handling than the S550.

I'll add "All of these vehicles are slower around the track". Yes, the V8 contributes to that, too.

 

[Commbubba19]

I'll add "All of these vehicles are slower around the track". Yes, the V8 contributes to that, too.

You are correct. Take motor out of the equation. All of the above cars have better designed suspensions for similar or less price point.

 

[Competition Orange]

you're missing my point.

there are tons of performance cars out there with auto transmissions.

ford alienated those folks by not allowing the PP option for auto's

General ride compliance from the springs/shocks must be tuned for each model due to weight and many other factors.

however - ford chose to put crappy bushings in every model except the top teir gt350 and GTPP.

So because i want an auto i have to have the shitty bushings everywhere in the car.

The other factor you guys seem to be overlooking is that again, just because cost is x, doesn't mean design/quality should suffer. It's not an excuse, it's simply accepted by the consumer.

It's advertised and sold as a performance car. Therefore it shouldn't ride like a luxury car. Soft spring A doesn't cost any less than 5% stiffer spring B. Crappy rubber bushing A costs pennies less than stiffer better rubber bushing B.

I agree, no PP on the auto is a strange decision, one I wouldn't have made. I can assure you that the PP doesn't solve your issues, however, so you can stop barking up that tree.

Oh, and name similar handling cars for this price point? There are tons.

15 Evo GSR/MR
STI/WRX
BRZ
328
370z
Miata


All of these vehicles are either similarly priced or cheaper than a S550. All of these vehicles inherently offer better handling than the S550.


Even older mustangs like the S197 and SN95 didn't need as many bushings as this car does just to handle correctly and safely. I think Ford Racing offers a performance bushing replacement for pretty much the entire suspension. That speaks volumes to me that they put shit bushings in the car to begin with and then said "hey, let's offer the good stuff and make people pay for it"

What you guys don't realize is you're paying for a shiny turd and are proud of it.

I will say that your point is valid with regards to the quality of the "design," in this case the bushings. You're just terrible at making your point.

As for the rest, you're off your rocker.

 

[Competition Orange]

You are correct. Take motor out of the equation. All of the above cars have better designed suspensions for similar or less price point.

So take out the counter argument to your argument, and your argument is true? Got it.

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