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[Jstang23]

I would also not put the Ceratec in next time. It's snake oil as much as the other things they proposed you. The tick is a myth and you are doing more harm than good in adulterating your oil.

That is entirely incorrect. How would a noise that is silenced by adding Ceratec be a myth???

If you have the tick, add the Ceratec and it will vanish instantly. I haven't heard of one person running Ceratec have any issues directly related to using the product. It's literally designed to help all 4 stroke engines. In fact my engine ran so much smoother after adding it, not to mention my gas milage went up by 2mpgs.

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[luca1290]

That is entirely incorrect. How would a noise that is silenced by adding Ceratec be a myth???

If you have the tick, add the Ceratec and it will vanish instantly. I haven't heard of one person running Ceratec have any issues directly related to using the product. It's literally designed to help all 4 stroke engines. In fact my engine ran so much smoother after adding it, not to mention my gas milage went up by 2mpgs.

Because the tick has been dismissed by Ford engineers as a normal characteristic of the engine, in an official TSB.
Because Ford guidelines on oil additives is to not use them because they can and do affect the properties of the lubricant, in an official TSB.

 

[The Insomnimaniac]

Because the tick has been dismissed by Ford engineers as a normal characteristic of the engine, in an official TSB.
Because Ford guidelines on oil additives is to not use them because they can and do affect the properties of the lubricant, in an official TSB.

I hear what you're saying, but just like Jstang said, Ceratec shuts the tick up. Even if the tick is not indicative of a problem, its irritating and sounds like your late model $40,000 car is a lemon. If anything, Ford needs to investigate why adding the Ceratec quiets a supposed "normal characteristic" of their engine.

 

[Jstang23]

Because the tick has been dismissed by Ford engineers as a normal characteristic of the engine, in an official TSB.
Because Ford guidelines on oil additives is to not use them because they can and do affect the properties of the lubricant, in an official TSB.

You seriously trust everything Ford puts out. Let's not kid ourselves here, Ford is out to make money and nothing else. Also there is no official TSB about oil additives, it is in the owners manual and not recommended not do not use under any circumstance. It's explicitly written that way on purpose. In addition, another post I made from information given to me by the lead engineer for the coyote, ford puts additives in the oil from the factory called XL-17. Additive are nothing new, and the right ones are definitely not snake oil.

Again, never heard of anyone being denied warranty because of using Ceratec. Also if ford were to deny a warranty because of using Ceratec they'd have to prove it was the cause. Which, would be a painstakingly long process for a dealership to do and would cost them more money than just replacing whatever broke.

Look if you don't use Ceratec that's fine, but don't start making bold statements like you did when a lot, if not a majority of people experience tick and use Ceratec to remedy it.

 

[geep81]

I would also not put the Ceratec in next time. It's snake oil as much as the other things they proposed you.

That's a good one considering our cars come from the factory with a Ford additive in it. Why would Ford add XL-17 and also not have it for sale to the public, if it wasn't doing something beneficial? (the beneficial thing is making the engine not sound like a pile of bolts until AFTER you paid the money)

 

[Jstang23]

That's a good one considering our cars come from the factory with a Ford additive in it. Why would Ford add XL-17 and also not have it for sale to the public, if it wasn't doing something beneficial? (the beneficial thing is making the engine not sound like a pile of bolts until AFTER you paid the money)

Exactly! I'm in agreement that the tick will not cause any problems. Its just annoying as hell, so I add Ceratec to silence it and make the engine run a heck of a lot smoother. Ceratec is not new and hasn't been known to cause issues. I'll continue to use it

 

[ShadesOfBloo]

...Wynn's Puroil Ethanol Treatment and Wynn's Supreme Plus Engine Oil Treatment.

Wynn's? I remember that name from when a dealer was telling me my 1992 car with port fuel injection needed "induction service". They must specialize in snake oil.

The service guy pointed to this poster and said "You see, this stuff can build up on your valves..."
I pointed to the

logo and said "I see whose propaganda this is."

EDIT: Since then I spoke to a dealer mechanic I've known since high school, and heard
1) "Induction service" can repel the oil from exposed cylinder walls, potentially causing extra wear.
2) The machine for induction service paid for itself in the first 6 months. After that it's very profitable for the dealership, so don't feel bad when you say "no".

EDIT #2: Yes, it's worthwhile for cars that only have direct injection. But learning what I've learned has also been a major reason why I don't have a car like that.

In fact, the shop that does most of my services has a dynamometer and learned that the 2016+ Subarus with direct injection can lose a lot of power in their first 20,000 miles. It's great that they thought of a way to clean up the deposits and restore that power. I'd rather buy the right car in the first place.

Having bought a 2020 Mustang GT, I hope our 16 fuel injectors don't get expensive later.

 

[ShadesOfBloo]

...Also, I have the BBQ tick after a fresh oil change, that I treat with a bottle of Ceratec,

 

[Weyland-Yutani]

My dealer recommended at "transmission flush" at 30K for my 6MT car. This made me wonder why I even trust them with a simple oil change.

 

[junits15]

I hear what you're saying, but just like Jstang said, Ceratec shuts the tick up. Even if the tick is not indicative of a problem, its irritating and sounds like your late model $40,000 car is a lemon. If anything, Ford needs to investigate why adding the Ceratec quiets a supposed "normal characteristic" of their engine.

You can just ignore the tick for free, my car sounds like every DI car I've ever heard. I've also heard people complain about a tick noise on other cars. The reality is that its most likely the Bosch DI pump. DI cars are noisy.

People are right to be skeptical about additives, almost all of them do nothing. I think Liqui Moly has a higher likelihood of not being snake oil, but even that's just a guess.


For OP, the two the dealer recommended sound like garbage, I wouldn't bother.

 

[Jstang23]

You can just ignore the tick for free, my car sounds like every DI car I've ever heard. I've also heard people complain about a tick noise on other cars. The reality is that its most likely the Bosch DI pump. DI cars are noisy.

People are right to be skeptical about additives, almost all of them do nothing. I think Liqui Moly has a higher likelihood of not being snake oil, but even that's just a guess.


For OP, the two the dealer recommended sound like garbage, I wouldn't bother.

The tick is worse because it is sporadic. DI injector tick is consistent and that doesn't bother me. I know for a fact Ceratec is not snake oil because it immediately silences the engine. So it definitely does something lol!

 

[luca1290]

A thing is a factory approved additive, like the friction modifiers Ford put into the differential or Mercedes put in their gearboxes (the latter I know from experience). Many other automakers do similar things.

There is a difference between a specifically formulated additive, validated by Ford engineering and putting a random bottle of the shelf.

 

[Skye]

AND Wynn's Puroil Ethanol Treatment and Wynn's Supreme Plus Engine Oil Treatment.

Oil change, tire rotation and inspection; many choose to use the dealer for these services, and that's cool. I'd ask them to drop the additives noted above and recalculate $.

My dealer recommended at "transmission flush"

"PowerFlushing". I remember that era. Ford and other manufacturers went to town, blowing out transmission and diff seals the world over.

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