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Interesting to watch as they get some specifics wrong but you can see how well setup this car really is. Can't help but wonder if the Base or CFTP could outgun GM's ZLE time from a few years ago.






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I enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing.
 

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Lol. New record in delayed Ricer Flyby:
4 years late...
"I win!...."

Unfortunately ZL1 1LE time was what, summer 2017? almost a half decade ago?
And not on Trefeo R's....
Gonna guess a second could be picked up....

Love GT350R, and Mad respect for ZL1 1LE which is still substantially capable.
Without Zl1 1LE, we might not have GT500...

Ford drivetrains needs a 400# lighter chassis..... I still prey the keep S550/CDx in production while also adding a next gen smaller mustang that sees an ecoboost in a 3400 wet curb chassis... Can only hope...
Final ICE chassis will be what we are stuck with for motorsports for DECADES after electric revolution..
 

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not sure about the gt500, but this guy just beat the zl1 1le time (7'16) by 1 second (7'15) in his GT350R. worth a watch...

Uh, unless I'm missing something, the guy ran a 7:15 cutting out the entire straight. Check out where the time starts (end of the straight) and where it hits 7:15 (at the beginning of the straight). The ZLE ran the entire track on the 7:16, as did the ZL1 when it went 7:29. There was later an unofficial ~7:13 by the ZLE but no record of it.

Maybe someone can correct me, but this isn't the same track length and thus does not appear to be a quicker time.

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Uh, unless I'm missing something, the guy ran a 7:15 cutting out the entire straight. Check out where the time starts (end of the straight) and where it hits 7:15 (at the beginning of the straight). The ZLE ran the entire track on the 7:16, as did the ZL1 when it went 7:29. There was later an unofficial ~7:13 by the ZLE but no record of it.

Maybe someone can correct me, but this isn't the same track length and thus does not appear to be a quicker time.

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You are correct, hence why it says BTG (Bridge to Gantry). It cuts that section out.
 

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You are correct, hence why it says BTG (Bridge to Gantry). It cuts that section out.
I've always seen a BTG run as more "real" than a BTB. My reasoning is that a BTG is usually run by a normal person, with other drivers on the course. BTB's are usually closed-track runs by manufacturers with cars set up in a way that doesn't resemble a production vehicle (stripped, swapped parts, race tires, etc.). Yes, an owner can do the same setup, but I've always viewed the "offical" manufacturer times as a bit disingenuous. Our car runs this time on The Ring*




*On a closed course, with a full support team, track prep, $100k in non-factory modifications, multiple cars on hand, and we cherry-picked the perfect run (regardless of average time across all sessions).
 

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Uh, unless I'm missing something, the guy ran a 7:15 cutting out the entire straight. Check out where the time starts (end of the straight) and where it hits 7:15 (at the beginning of the straight). The ZLE ran the entire track on the 7:16, as did the ZL1 when it went 7:29. There was later an unofficial ~7:13 by the ZLE but no record of it.

Maybe someone can correct me, but this isn't the same track length and thus does not appear to be a quicker time.

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Three ways to drive the Ring. Most common:

1. Touristenfahrten (tourist drive). Any street legal vehicle (to include motorcycles and buses), any licensed driver, normal German driving laws apply (passing only on left, etc), 25-30€ per lap, actually has a speed limit in one area (Ex-Mühle--often ignored), must exit between laps. So, time starts at the entrance (which is before the standard start/finish line) and ends at Gantry Bridge (which is a bit before the point where you entered).
https://nuerburgring.de/driving/touristdrives

2. Test days. Relatively rare and completely closed to the public. Manufactures, teams prior to races, etc. No requirement to exit the track between laps, so drivers can time full laps from start-finish line. Many of the "advertised times" are achieved on these days.

3. Track days. Relatively common. Various clubs and track businesses (i.e., RSR, etc.) rent the track and run the track day. Anyone with a license can participate, but must arrange and pay via the hosting company or be a member of the hosting club. No motorcycles (unless it's a 'moto' track day) and definitely no buses, etc. Cost is normally between 1k to 1.5k€. No requirement to exit between laps, so start/finish line times are possible--assuming the sponsor allows timing. Some "advertised times" come from these as well.

Bottom line; BTG times are the most common, because (as @Mikthehun1 pointed out) they are the easiest for normal people to access. They tell you the time that a good driver in a normal car can achieve.

On average, there's about 20 sec difference between BTG time and full lap time--after the bridge, your're flat out on a downhill section at any car's max speed.
 
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The second I saw the post about the GT350R's time I was like...no. No fucking way it was even close to that of the ZLE.

Just for shits I scrolled through both videos to pretty much the same point on the track. I set my phone in front of my laptop monitor and hit play to watch both at the same time. The ZLE is gone in short order and keeps pulling away. Try it.

I started the GT350R video at the 1:08 mark and the ZLE video at the :21 mark. Be quick and click start on both of these at the same time as they are in very near the same location on the track. After only about 4 minutes, the ZLE is roughly 10 seconds ahead of the GT350R.




Just looking at benchmarks, when the GT350 hits the end of its run the ZLE is roughly 16 seconds ahead of it. ZLE hit 172mph while the GT350R did 155mph (rounding up too).
 
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The second I saw the post about the GT350R's time I was like...no. No fucking way it was even close to that of the ZLE.

Just for shits I scrolled through both videos to pretty much the same point on the track. I set my phone in front of my laptop monitor and hit play to watch both at the same time. The ZLE is gone in short order and keeps pulling away. Try it.

I started the GT350R video at the 1:08 mark and the ZLE video at the :21 mark. Be quick and click start on both of these at the same time as they are in very near the same location on the track. After only about 4 minutes, the ZLE is roughly 10 seconds ahead of the GT350R.




Just looking at benchmarks, when the GT350 hits the end of its run the ZLE is roughly 16 seconds ahead of it. ZLE hit 172mph while the GT350R did 155mph (rounding up too).

"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" - Carroll Shelby
 

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But he was wearing shorts! That saved weight for the 350R. He did have his gloves on though.
not sure about the gt500, but this guy just beat the zl1 1le time (7'16) by 1 second (7'15) in his GT350R. worth a watch...

 
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