CncWerx Short block

[PRG3k]

Let's say if you kept the stock turbo and had all the common bolt ons. Would buying one of these and building the engine give you any added HP or TQ? Or is it just for if you want to go big on hp by adding a big turbo and pushing limits to be safe? Please go easy ;)

Jesus, poor little stock turbo. Turbo would be maxed out so fast.

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[Joe_Stang]

Jesus, poor little stock turbo. Turbo would be maxed out so fast.

Agreed the turbo is really being pushed hard enough on the stock block. All a built motor does is allow you to make more power without blowing up or breaking shit (hopefully). So a built motor wouldn't make sense if you were still going to use the stock turbo as the stock block can hold up to 450whp.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Is CnCWerx currently the only vendor for a short block? would be nice if we had an all in one thread that contained all options and specs

We have actually been producing a performance upgraded engine for the 2.3L since SEMA. We had to wait for Ford Performance to display their Aluminator that features our engineering.

 

[stang77]

Agreed the turbo is really being pushed hard enough on the stock block. All a built motor does is allow you to make more power without blowing up or breaking shit (hopefully). So a built motor wouldn't make sense if you were still going to use the stock turbo as the stock block can hold up to 450whp.

I'm wondering if I should look into at least upgrading the rods in this engine prior to swapping for my Vargas Stage 2. To start off I would be happy if I was making 370-380whp on pump fuel. All these blown motor threads are giving me nightmares now LOL. What do you think Adam?

 

[Tune+]

That setup makes me think you are aiming to be the first 9 sec EB car.

I will be looking to do that a lot sooner than when the GTX42 car is built. I'm actually starting tuning on the car tomorrow (8374EFR).

I'm wondering if I should look into at least upgrading the rods in this engine prior to swapping for my Vargas Stage 2. To start off I would be happy if I was making 370-380whp on pump fuel. All these blown motor threads are giving me nightmares now LOL. What do you think Adam?

You won't have any issues with 370-380whp as long as it is on 93. Personally I would do methanol or E30 to make closer to 400-420whp. No issue with the stock motor holding that power. Like I mentioned, no stock motor has failed with a big turbo upgrade under 450whp.

As you probably already know I make 440/440 on my car and it has made that power since it had 150miles on it lol. I heat soaked it like crazy and beat the crap out of it at the Florida NMRA event.

Doing a shortblock should be for guys looking to make as much power as they can on pump gas, or more power than 450whp on an upgraded turbo and some fuel.

I will be pushing my stock block over 500whp again like I did awhile back on MAP's car.

 

[Joe_Stang]

Adam,

Will those of us getting a bigger turbo will we need a 4 bar map sensor?

 

[stang77]

Adam,

Will those of us getting a bigger turbo will we need a 4 bar map sensor?

I think you need the 4 bar map sensor if you want to push over 30psi.

 

[stang77]

I will be looking to do that a lot sooner than when the GTX42 car is built. I'm actually starting tuning on the car tomorrow (8374EFR).



You won't have any issues with 370-380whp as long as it is on 93. Personally I would do methanol or E30 to make closer to 400-420whp. No issue with the stock motor holding that power. Like I mentioned, no stock motor has failed with a big turbo upgrade under 450whp.

As you probably already know I make 440/440 on my car and it has made that power since it had 150miles on it lol. I heat soaked it like crazy and beat the crap out of it at the Florida NMRA event.

Doing a shortblock should be for guys looking to make as much power as they can on pump gas, or more power than 450whp on an upgraded turbo and some fuel.

I will be pushing my stock block over 500whp again like I did awhile back on MAP's car.

Ok. I don't have access to E85 in NJ. Down the line I may purchase your meth kit. At that time I will look and internal engine upgrades. This car is a daily driver. Not looking to beat the hell out of it.

 

[Tune+]

Gotcha, sounds good.

Yea, you wouldn't need the 4 Bar MAP sensor until you breach 29psi.

 

[Busser48]

Agreed the turbo is really being pushed hard enough on the stock block. All a built motor does is allow you to make more power without blowing up or breaking shit (hopefully). So a built motor wouldn't make sense if you were still going to use the stock turbo as the stock block can hold up to 450whp.

That wasn't the reason why I asked the question, it was a hypothetical so I could understand what a built block is good for geez!!!!!!

 

[perfweld]

Agreed the turbo is really being pushed hard enough on the stock block. All a built motor does is allow you to make more power without blowing up or breaking shit (hopefully). So a built motor wouldn't make sense if you were still going to use the stock turbo as the stock block can hold up to 450whp.

Im not sure if you cant break an engine with a stock turbo. I think it can be done even the tune is perfect. The guys that actually build the engines would be the people that might wanna chime in in this.
As I said, im doing a longblock similar to whats being offered but in longblock form, I dont even wanna mess with taking an engine apart, got bigger fish to fry. I have an engine on the truck from Ford headed to Kevin Jewer right now, hes doing the full meal deal, Rods , Pistons, Beehive Valve springs / Ti Retainers / CncWerks block . Im gonna use the stock turbo for a while, once I reach my goals with the stock turbo, ill then upgrade to a big turbo. Im doing this now in case I do break the stock engine, don't want to have a few months of downtime on my car. Its nice we have so many options now on the ecoboost engine. Lots of good vendors out there to choose from.

 

[dragonacc]

Im not sure if you cant break an engine with a stock turbo. I think it can be done even the tune is perfect. The guys that actually build the engines would be the people that might wanna chime in in this.
As I said, im doing a longblock similar to whats being offered but in longblock form, I dont even wanna mess with taking an engine apart, got bigger fish to fry. I have an engine on the truck from Ford headed to Kevin Jewer right now, hes doing the full meal deal, Rods , Pistons, Beehive Valve springs / Ti Retainers / CncWerks block . Im gonna use the stock turbo for a while, once I reach my goals with the stock turbo, ill then upgrade to a big turbo. Im doing this now in case I do break the stock engine, don't want to have a few months of downtime on my car. Its nice we have so many options now on the ecoboost engine. Lots of good vendors out there to choose from.

Neat, a little off topic here but who makes the beehive valve springs and what's the seat pressure on those?

 

[perfweld]

Neat, a little off topic here but who makes the beehive valve springs and what's the seat pressure on those?

They are in the works right now, im off to Vegas to race for a few weeks, they will be done when I return.

 

[5.0yote]

Gotcha, sounds good.

Yea, you wouldn't need the 4 Bar MAP sensor until you breach 29psi.

Good thing I only want 24-25 psi =)

 

[illeagle]

I'm all for pushing the stock block! Someone has to find the limits lol

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