Cavalli Turbo......

[LeonBorden]

The fastest DI BMWs and FRSs in the world use them. 1500hp tractor pull power strokes use belt driven pumps... This isn't a new concept.

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[dragonacc]

I would never trust a belt that could easily slip with my fueling.

I agree. I've seen them for BMW's but I wouldn't trust anything driven in that manner unless perhaps it was by a chain.

 

[dragonacc]

The fastest DI BMWs and FRSs in the world use them. 1500hp tractor pull power strokes use belt driven pumps... This isn't a new concept.

:shrug:

I think I'd rather just add supplemental port injection if a belt driven pump was the only other alternative, personal preference.

 

[Impulsed7]

I'm just dying to hear more on this turbo. Anxious to see stock location setups. We'll get to the fueling issue when we get there...

 

[KazyMedic]

My concern is tuning for it as I live on hawaii, so no speed shops.

 

[Juben]

My concern is tuning for it as I live on hawaii, so no speed shops.

E-tuning works anywhere in the world, lol.

 

[fusion13]

The road block that you are going to run into is the cam driven HPFP. On the 2.0l ecoboost it is operated by three lobes at the end of the cam fortunately for the 2.3l you have 4 lobes allowing for more fuel to flow in. But as mentioned above because it is operated off the Cam you run into low spots where the fuel pressure will drop. On the 2.0l our low spot is around 4500 RPMs when you start to see fuel pressures drop they then begin to rise again after this point (this drop can be a bad thing for ringlands) . Using 93 octane our fuel becomes limited around 350 WHP so I would imagine yours would be higher than that. We have tossed around the idea of using a 2.3l cam with the four lobe design to help with our fueling issue the only problem you have then is how much of a bump do you really get? The way the 2.0l market solved the problem was to go with a port injection or throttle body injection setup that would be activated by a separate control module. Stratified automotive and speed performance (two companies that have worked a ton with direct injection engines) are the ones moving forward with these projects. The benefits to these is they have a much higher power ceiling then you would have replacing your HPFP they also clean the valves and allow you to have great low end performance and maintain a good idle. To sum it up I don’t think your injectors will be an issue for a while and I think you have more than enough fuel to support over 350whp( How much I don’t know) but I guess you will see!

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

I would never trust a belt that could easily slip with my fueling.

Gilmer belt?:shrug:

 

[KazyMedic]

E-tuning works anywhere in the world, lol.

Yep, but you have to have a good base tune to do that. Plus, it costs money for a person to start tuning on a turbo before they can give you a base tune to work with. Limits and strengths will have to be found with any turbo, and my concern is valid because I won't be there in person for the tuner to make on the spot corrections.

 

[Juben]

Yep, but you have to have a good base tune to do that. Plus, it costs money for a person to start tuning on a turbo before they can give you a base tune to work with. Limits and strengths will have to be found with any turbo, and my concern is valid because I won't be there in person for the tuner to make on the spot corrections.

All of the e-tuners have good, conservative base files to start you off with. As you datalog and send them those logs, they'll start stepping the tune up performance wise. They aren't just going to throw you an aggressive tune and tell you to have at it. Most base tunes are very safe and watered down. A tuner isn't going to throw something out there, blow your car up, and then get a bad rep for it. Stay with good tuners and you'll have no problems!

 

[LeonBorden]

But once you enter the realm of aftermarket turbos, all of that changes, unless you order a kit FROM a tuning company. You can't expect to buy your tune through say, Bama, throw on a Cavallari turbo, and Bama be able to e tune it. This is why it may pay off to wait for MAPs big turbo kit.

 

[Juben]

But once you enter the realm of aftermarket turbos, all of that changes, unless you order a kit FROM a tuning company. You can't expect to buy your tune through say, Bama, throw on a Cavallari turbo, and Bama be able to e tune it. This is why it may pay off to wait for MAPs big turbo kit.

Uh yes, you can. It's the same procedure. What do you think the FoST and Fusion guys have done when they've installed ATP turbos? The tuners know how to make adjustments to the base files based on turbo details! Again, they'd make a conservative base file (with adjustments) and start from there.

The thing is, an experienced tuner will know what and how to do things. If you're worried about it, get a tuner with prior EcoBoost experience like Stratified, Freektune, Mountune, etc. Any of those guys are more than equipped to handle anything you'd throw at them. How do I know? Because I've worked with all of them.

 

[LeonBorden]

Regardless of if they can get it close, you're still rolling the dice when you throw in heavy mods. It's always better to have YOUR CAR in their facility for a dyno tune of you're planning on making serious power.

 

[Juben]

Regardless of if they can get it close, you're still rolling the dice when you throw in heavy mods. It's always better to have YOUR CAR in their facility for a dyno tune of you're planning on making serious power.

Yeah, it's always a good option to have it on the dyno. I agree with that, where applicable, but what tune do you think they initially flash onto the car to tune it with. Even with a big turbo and heavy mods, a base file from a reputable tuner isn't gonna be balls out and cause you to drop a motor.

You make it sound like it's a 50/50 chance of destruction and it's not like that. There's a chance for failure with everything, even on the dyno, but that's why it pays to get a tuner with a solid reputation and understanding of the platform. There are thousands of big turbo, heavily modded cars laying down big numbers that's been e-tuned without problems.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

Just ran into Justin from AM at the grocery store about an hour ago and he said they just got this turbo installed on their EB! Sounds like it's putting down 350hp at the wheels easy now

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