CA to Ban Sale of Gas Cars in 2035

[IceAge]

Your math is off by a few orders of magnitude. The fuel tax on the federal level is $.184/gallon. Total consumption in the US is ~143 bilion gallons. That's $26 billion in federal taxes. An astounding amount of money, but certainly not trillions. Yes the states also charge their own tax as well, but that only very roughly results in another 70ish billion (I'm not calculating every state individually). Still not trillions, not even if taxes increased 10-fold.

Good point on my math which yes it is not trillions it’s billions and here is the latest data for 2017:
State and local governments collected a combined $47 billion in revenue from motor fuel taxes in 2017, or 1.5 percent of general revenue..
So I will rephrase from each year to many years lol. The whole point is the State and Federal Governments collect a hell of a lot of money just off of ICE vehicles. And currently the EV vehicles pay nothing which eventually this will have to change should the EV market be more dominant transportation. My belief is your electric vehicle will be charged by the mile to use and even possibly all vehicles. No different than toll roads charging you and or their will be an extra charge added to your electric bill or something like that. I know many feel the EV is not the Carbon Foot Print savior and to a degree is true but technology is a good thing. We shall evolve I am sure to even smarter better technology as time progresses since that’s who we are as humans. And what’s so interesting is how when I was just a kid in the early 70s I sat in line with my dad for hours on end to get gas in California. The know it all scientists at that time predicted by the late 80s the world would run out of oil. And yet today we do not even think about this since technology has enabled us to find more oil than we ever realized we have. The point is eventually we just may run out of fossil fuel energy and we need to diversify to an alternative energy to keep the future generations a good life on Mother Earth without ruining Mother Earth and mankind. And that’s a hell of a challenge that mankind realizes now more than ever needs to be done.

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[shogun32]

since March the amount of emissions saved from the Major Airlines, commuting to office, traffic down huge, schools, colleges, office buildings, entertainment facilities, leisure and travel......etc

all completely obliterated by California's gross negligence and decades of incompetence that results in this spate of annual wild fires. Granted wild fires were happening before man even set foot on the earth, but for California to preen about it's eco-contributions is laughable.

One little belch of a volcano in Indonesia or Mexico and all those "savings" for a decade are nullified. I bet God is sitting up there laughing his ass off. "hey watch this", as he pokes the earth crust with a tooth pick. "How do you like your carbon sequestering now? I can do this all millennia long, idiots."

 

[Bugs]

 

[IceAge]

This what the Socialist California future dictators really want.

 

[watisthis]

Let's look at some charts, kids love charts (source EPA 2014-2018):

I can only imagine that the gap between us an China has grown. Yes, they've been making efforts to reduce emissions, but the effect has been to mitigate the effects of growth, not actually cause a downturn.

Damn, a country with a far larger population having more CO2 emissions? Now imagine accounting per person CO2 emissions, then counting the history of CO2 emissions.

I always love the common American arguments of everyone else is the culprit.

There is nothing that can make this work. And just attempting it, is legalizing an energy monopoly.

People aren't against change. They're against corrupt, political hair-brained ideas that have no basis in reality, and can never work. Especially when they fuck the tax-payers.

Wake up son. Stop believing in government. It's nothing but a cancerous lie.

Ok, boomer.

 

[NoVaGT]

Ok, boomer.

I'm sorry reality doesn't work for you. Attempting to substitute it with your own doesn't work either.

And get out of Maryland. It's a socialist shit-hole, run and inhabited by people desperate to believe government is something good. Move to somewhere with real freedoms and liberty.

 

[watisthis]

I'm sorry reality doesn't work for you. Attempting to substitute it with your own doesn't work either.

And get out of Maryland. It's a socialist shit-hole, run and inhabited by people desperate to believe government is something good. Move to somewhere with real freedoms and liberty.

With a brain this big I bet you're a blast at parties.

 

[NoVaGT]

With a brain this big I bet you're a blast at parties.

I do believe in facts over emotion.

 

[watisthis]

I do believe in facts over emotion.

Well, I await your fact-based rebuttal to post #29. Please, leave the political name-calling, red scare bullshit, and McCarthyism at the door, thanks.

 

[NoVaGT]

Well, I await your fact-based rebuttal to post #29. Please, leave the political name-calling, red scare bullshit, and McCarthyism at the door, thanks.

I already replied to that post.

Look, we're not going to agree on any of this, so just let it go.

 

[watisthis]

I already replied to that post.

Where? The post you made quoting someone else and giving incorrect 'facts?'

Look, we're not going to agree on any of this, so just let it go.

Obviously, you just spoke of 'facts' and then literally lied about responding to post #29, lol.

It is obvious you care to win an argument more than to be correct and will be intellectually dishonest in order to do so. Let me know when you want to discuss 'facts.'

 

[NoVaGT]

Where? The post you made quoting someone else and giving incorrect 'facts?'



Obviously, you just spoke of 'facts' and then literally lied about responding to post #29, lol.

It is obvious you care to win an argument more than to be correct and will be intellectually dishonest in order to do so. Let me know when you want to discuss 'facts.'

What part of "I already replied to that post" is confusing for you?

I'm not interested in debating someone that lives in a fantasy world. Please put me on ignore, as I'm about to do with you.

 

[watisthis]

What part of "I already replied to that post" is confusing for you?

I'm not interested in debating someone that lives in a fantasy world. Please put me on ignore, as I'm about to do with you.

See previous post, as well as, post #29. Honesty and integrity elude you, sir.

 

[watisthis]

Yes, because the US has a higher per capita, China suddenly doesn't exist. Neither do the billion people in the growing economy of India. My point is that we can cut emissions in the US down to a fraction of what they are now, and still not make a dent in global GHG production. We're all doomed. Enjoy the V8 while you can.

Firstly, did you even watch the video? Second, do you know what the first order of operations is? Yes, China and India populate a lot, but they are not per capita the most. Moreover, if factories the US-funded and relied on were placed somewhere else the total amount of pollution would be the same thus it is not a Chinese and India are doing it all problem it is an us problem. Funnily enough, I believe China still uses the most renewable energy out of any country in the world.

Acting irresponsibly yesterday is a horrible excuse for repeating the same mistakes today.

 

[watisthis]

I don't watch clickbait. Youtube is for funny cat videos.

So you don't like learning? If you're going to not even bother to get educated then why even discuss what you do not understand?

Edit: Here are sources in case you would rather read than to watch a factual 10min video.

https://sites.google.com/view/sourcesclimateresponsibility/

they still will double our total emissions.

Except they are not as they have like half of the per capita emissions of the US. So why even bring this up?

China is getting better, but at a slower rate than India is getting worse. We're slowly getting better, but there's still the enormous capita gap to consider. For every solar farm we put up, India builds three coal plants.

Look, you aren't understanding how the order of operations works. China produces a lot of CO2 because China produces a lot of industrial products to be consumed by the rest of the world, but the USA produces a lot of CO2 just to maintain our high standard of living. If China had higher standards of emission laws these businesses would just be moved to somewhere else without emission laws for cheaper and easier products. So it is incorrect to blame only the producers and not the consumers.

As I said, this isn't a country-specific issue, it is our lack of developed low cost, low carbon solutions that we can then spread around the world. We need low carbon technology to be cheap and available and we're getting there.

The cost of renewable is falling quickly and a variety of solutions are on the horizon for many different sectors but this needs to happen much faster. And if the rich countries decide to tackle climate change the rest of the world will follow because they have no choice.

Just like when the EU forced energy emission standards for tech the rest of the world adopted them too because they wanted to be able to continue trading. This is extremely simple and will happen very quickly because of forced policies like what CA is doing. The best way to advance our tech is by forcing people to work on it and create competition.

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