CA Emissions Standards to be revoked

[Cobra Jet]

Wow, surprised there wasn’t a peep about this on this site anywhere!

So, it seems the current Administration is revoking California’s Authority and ability to set vehicle emission standards!

Discuss... and don’t destroy the thread by bringing in the political side into the mix...

What do the Cali folks think about this, because if that goes through, it will allow you folks to mod, mod, mod without the worry of the harsh restrictions that were always in place.

Read about it:
https://www.fordnxt.com/news/trump-administration-revokes-californias-emissions-authority/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/17/climate/trump-california-emissions-waiver.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...th-california-about-auto-emissions-standards/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-vehicle-emission-rules-sources-idUSKBN1W224L

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[GregP27]

I've always thought it should be illegal for any state to set standards tougher than federal standards for emissions. I don't disagree that cars should be cleaner, but when you consider the size of the auto market in California, it should be obvious that California can demand something and that Detroit would be idiots to ignore it.

So, good for Trump on one hand (not a political statement there), and sorry to see emissions roll back on the other hand.

Is it a win for the people who like to mod? Yes, in some ways. The proposed law does not take away the ability for communities to prevent excessively loud exhaust systems, which is good unless you are someone who really likes to annoy others with a loud car.

Sort of a win and sort of not.

 

[BmacIL]

New I've always thought it should be illegal for any state to set standards tougher than federal standards for emissions.

Why? With many things, the federal level is the minimum it can be (minimum wage, for instance).

 

[Devil5oh]

Would be awesome if Cali turned into states like AZ and TX with no exhaust laws

 

[CB18]

Good. Because those of us that don't live in California don't get to vote for those that regulate us.

 

[NoVaGT]

Another win for Trump. Absolutely a great thing.

No more will California's political nut-jobs set national standards for emissions.

 

[gameovergt]

Good. Because those of us that don't live in California don't get to vote for those that regulate us.

this!

 

[Zelek]

Would be awesome if Cali turned into states like AZ and TX with no exhaust laws

There are exhaust laws (inspection) in the main populated cities. It's the all the small rural cities on the outskirts that don't.

 

[Houston Kid]

Meh. Just like weed is illegal Federally but states allow it. I don't care anyway. Never going to live in Cali. Going to continue to live in TX for the duration. LOL.

 

[Bikeman315]

God, we car enthusiasts are a smug bunch. The primary purpose of emission controls is to assure all of us have clean air to breath. Think about your spouses, children, grandchildren, etc. Have you seen pictures of the smog laden cities in China? That what emission controls are designed to prevent.
Other states have followed California’s rules because they understand this. The current federal governments rollbacks of environmental controls are not being done to help us. They are designed to allow those who benefit from these rollbacks to make more money. This should come as a surprise no one.

And yes, this should probably be moved to the members lounge.

 

[NoVaGT]

God, we car enthusiasts are a smug bunch. The primary purpose of emission controls is to assure all of us have clean air to breath. Think about your spouses, children, grandchildren, etc. Have you seen pictures of the smog laden cities in China? That what emission controls are designed to prevent.
Other states have followed California’s rules because they understand this. The current federal governments rollbacks of environmental controls are not being done to help us. They are designed to allow those who benefit from these rollbacks to make more money. This should come as a surprise no one.

And yes, this should probably be moved to the members lounge.

Naw.....

Pictures you see of Chinese cities, that smog isn't from vehicles. It's from manufacturing plants nearby spewing toxic crap into the air. When you see something that was made in China, it's not just the cost of employees that are cheaper, it's the cost of the manufacturing process that is cheaper. The Chinese DGAF about the environment, they only care about producing cheap crap to sell here.

Cars are damn clean. Decades ago SAABs had trionic engine management that meant that the atmosphere coming out of the vehicle was cleaner than what went into the engine. And all vehicles are even better now.

Federal emissions standards are plenty good enough. California can't dictate to the rest of the country.

 

[Ebm]

People don't call it communist Cali for nothing...

Livestock produces more emissions than cars but people still drink milk and still eat meat. Honestly, climate change is ironic because the people who are trying to help are some of the worst offenders destroying the environment.

Gasoline motor emissions are fine whether we have emissions testing or not. The real culprit of ICE is diesel. Diesel vehicles are still plentiful in Europe. Guess who has air quality issues? You guessed it... Countries with a lot of diesel vehicles.

Study (there are many)

 

[Bikeman315]

Pictures you see of Chinese cities, that smog isn't from vehicles. It's from manufacturing plants nearby spewing toxic crap into the air. When you see something that was made in China, it's not just the cost of employees that are cheaper, it's the cost of the manufacturing process that is cheaper. The Chinese DGAF about the environment, they only care about producing cheap crap to sell here.

Agreed, but pollution is pollution regardless of the source.

Cars are damn clean. Decades ago SAABs had trionic engine management that meant that the atmosphere coming out of the vehicle was cleaner than what went into the engine. And all vehicles are even better now.

Again agreed, but it wasn't always this way. Remember when the only smog control was a PCV valve?

Federal emissions standards are plenty good enough. California can't dictate to the rest of the country.

Maybe so but I'm a believer in states rights. For instance, Federal law may allow off shore drilling off the coast of the Grand Strand. I would certainly want the state of South Carolina to institute a law banning it.
And regardless of your political leanings we know that this is what it is all about. This is not about making the air quality better for Californians.
Also California is not dictating to other states. Only the other states can do that. And of course, the automakers, but that is not the topic of this thread.

At the end of the day, this is not about air quality. It is about the Federal government trying to tell states what they can and cannot do. This is flat out wrong and I hope the Supreme Court, when this gets there, will agree.

 

[Bikeman315]

People don't call it communist Cali for nothing...

Livestock produces more emissions than cars but people still drink milk and still eat meat. Honestly, climate change is ironic because the people who are trying to help are some of the worst offenders destroying the environment.

Gasoline motor emissions are fine whether we have emissions testing or not. The real culprit of ICE is diesel. Diesel vehicles are still plentiful in Europe. Guess who has air quality issues? You guessed it... Countries with a lot of diesel vehicles.

Study (there are many)

Yes, Yes, and Yes. But this isn't about that. It's the Fed's vs States. And it's wrong. Strictly my opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree.

 

[BlackandBlue]

Yes, Yes, and Yes. But this isn't about that. It's the Fed's vs States. And it's wrong. Strictly my opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree.

The problem is a special waiver was granted to California to set their own emissions standards. This waiver was subject to periodic review for necessity. This was not permanent from the start.

The role of the federal government is to allow a level playing ground. Granting special rules to specific areas is not leveling anything.

California can still pass laws to restrict what is sold in their state. Canceling this waiver has not effect on this.

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