Balanced car?

[Shadow277]

Ford Performance Racing School in Charlotte for once.

They have one in Utah which is in driving distsnce for me. I wanna go but since my house flooded and my wife wanted to upgrade meaningless cabinets and floors, it has to wait.

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[Shadow277]

A lot of HPDE's have great reputations. The format tends to be different in Europe, but my sense is that HPDEs back home are much more tailored to your specific needs than schools are (I've been to schools but not Stateside HPDEs). From what others have shared, HPDEs tend to get to know you as a driver and help you concentrate on strengths and weaknesses. It also helps that you are in your own car. So, you progress more deliberately than you would in a school.

My auto club only has one HPDE class and it's half a day of instructions and half a day on your own (100 minutes total of seat time).
They encourage practice and since Phoenix has various tracks, instructor ride alongs are highly encouraged.

I always have an instructor sit in with me for atleast two sessions (40 minutes of seat time).

 

[kz]

They have one in Utah which is in driving distsnce for me. I wanna go but since my house flooded and my wife wanted to upgrade meaningless cabinets and floors, it has to wait.

I think they moved from Utah over to Charlotte - Utah piece is the off road thing with Exploders ST I think.

 

[Caballus]

My auto club only has one HPDE class and it's half a day of instructions and half a day on your own (100 minutes total of seat time).
They encourage practice and since Phoenix has various tracks, instructor ride alongs are highly encouraged.

I always have an instructor sit in with me for atleast two sessions (40 minutes of seat time).

If you ever want to splurge, these guys don't disappoint. Also, it's all open pit lane, so no sessions. Other than a one hour lunch break, you get on and off as you see fit all day.
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[Shadow277]

I think they moved from Utah over to Charlotte - Utah piece is the off road thing with Exploders ST I think.

Nnnnooooooo ):

 

[Bridgie]

Nasa is your friend..

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[Norm Peterson]

It actually does have to do with acceleration out of corners. Slight understeer is generally more desirable than oversteer, as it is easier to handle than oversteer.

https://driver61.com/uni/corner-exit/

Edit: Sorry, I should qualify that. Understeer is more desirable by an inexperienced driver (i.e., me). An experienced driver will likely prefer slight oversteer.

I'm reading Driver61's description of

"Rather, we should gently increase the throttle position until we feel the car slide, and when it does, it’ll be progressive and more importantly, predictable."

as indicating a throttle-caused transition from light understeer toward or into light oversteer. This in no way suggests inherently "loose" suspension tuning beyond however much "loosening" it takes to get closer to neutral from your car's basic understeer budget.

IOW, it's more about oversteer being controllably accessible rather than being your car's basic handling characteristic that you constantly have to stay on top of.


Norm

 

[Shadow277]

I'm reading Driver61's description of as indicating a throttle-caused transition from light understeer toward or into light oversteer. This in no way suggests inherently "loose" suspension tuning beyond however much "loosening" it takes to get closer to neutral from your car's basic understeer budget.

IOW, it's more about oversteer being controllably accessible rather than being your car's basic handling characteristic that you constantly have to stay on top of.


Norm

Hey Norm, is slight oversteer advantageous?
I am thinking about getting beefier sway bars.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Hey Norm, is slight oversteer advantageous?
I am thinking about getting beefier sway bars.

Other than for FWD cars being autocrossed or possibly tracked where you're trying to trick the car into rotating (yaw), I don't think so.

Inherent oversteer in a RWD car implies that the rear tires are going to be the determining factor in how soon you can go to the throttle.

The thing about choosing sta-bars also comes down to a sort of "balance", where more than one effect is at play and the result needs to be in some sort of balance with the car's power potential and your driving style. Lower-powered trims can be tuned a bit "looser" - maybe think a little toward "momentum cars" here - than more powerful cars that would benefit more from a point and shoot driving style.


Norm

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