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[TYGT350]

Really Jim Owens said the original plan was a 2 year run...He is head of Shelby marketing..he should know..right?

Its sounding like its propaganda nowadays. Then when the demand hasn't lessened.... Oh maybe well run it a couple more years.

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[CANTWN4LSN]

Doubt anyone is going to change anyone else's mind here. However, thought everything I read earlier was 5000 GT350's for 2 years, total 10,000. Figured the whiz kids in marketing at Ford knew what the likely true market was and I guarantee they ain't dummies. Consider it's a fun drive but clearly a racer and most fun at high revs not done as daily drive. Relatively poor gas mileage esp. when prices rebound will be a tougher sell given need for premium as well. Price point unachievable by many and significant competition at or just above that. Personally I would guess they got it right at 10,000 units and would be surprised if they go much above despite the lamentations here. As such, at 50k they are looking at $500million+ in gross revenue prob easily pays for capital costs, R&D, etc. with decent profit margin. They made the car to prove they could, to up there brand name, for the fun of driving a non-necessary luxury, to learn info to take forward, and to please a market out there at a specific price point that they could do that at. Doubt the market is there for 25,000 of these.

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

Doubt anyone is going to change anyone else's mind here. However, thought everything I read earlier was 5000 GT350's for 2 years, total 10,000. Figured the whiz kids in marketing at Ford knew what the likely true market was and I guarantee they ain't dummies. Consider it's a fun drive but clearly a racer and most fun at high revs not done as daily drive. Relatively poor gas mileage esp. when prices rebound will be a tougher sell given need for premium as well. Price point unachievable by many and significant competition at or just above that. Personally I would guess they got it right at 10,000 units and would be surprised if they go much above despite the lamentations here. As such, at 50k they are looking at $500million+ in gross revenue prob easily pays for capital costs, R&D, etc. with decent profit margin. They made the car to prove they could, to up there brand name, for the fun of driving a non-necessary luxury, to learn info to take forward, and to please a market out there at a specific price point that they could do that at. Doubt the market is there for 25,000 of these.

Well yes...

 

[krt22]

Really Jim Owens said the original plan was a 2 year run...He is head of Shelby marketing..he should know..right?

Maybe for the car as is, then in 2-3 years a mild refresh. I just cant see ford essentially developing a brand new car/engine/tranny/etc to only see a few thousand cars.

I actually read it on this site. Could be pure speculation, could be true, we shall find out

http://www.mustang6g.com/?p=5967

 

[drmustang]

Maybe for the car as is, then in 2-3 years a mild refresh. I just cant see ford essentially developing a brand new car/engine/tranny/etc to only see a few thousand cars.

I actually read it on this site. Could be pure speculation, could be true, we shall find out

http://www.mustang6g.com/?p=5967

GT500 was to be a "limited production", 2 year offering with 3,000 units/year. What a bunch of hype, BS, and nonsense all contrived by those poised to exploit an enthusiasts misconceptions by creating an illusion of scarcity. OMG! I may not get one! The sky is falling! NOT.

The very "limited production" 2 year, GT500 morphed into nearly 50,000 units from 2007-2014. That was 8 years in reality.

Who knows anyone that wanted and could qualify to purchase a GT500, GT500KR, Terminator, Mach1, SVT Cobra, etc. and didn't get one? Wake up and stop being manipulated with this greaseball nonsense. Your wallet will thank you.

 

[Cruzinaround]

99 out of 100 products are not limited to production, though. Here, we are. You'll pay top dollar for apples new products plus pay thru the nose for their warranties/packages for a phone that will be worth nothing in a couple months. Yet, people do it even tho they know they could play less for it in a few months. Apple will not stop producing until demand is full. And they still get "sticker price". Those buying 4k TV's right now are getting hosed, but they WANT the tech and are willing to pay for them even though in a few years everyone will be able to get one at costco for a third of the price with limitless production.

For our Ford GT's, we will have an auction as you stated. We may only get literally 2-3 cars, and we've had huuuuge offers so far but also a huge list of people who want one (many of them GT owners already). So, with no fair way to pick and choose who gets those limited cars, when we get them, we are most likely going to contact those clients interested and let them duke it out. That will be the market for that car.

I don't think there is anyone here that doesn't believe the GT350 is a phenomenal buy at $50k. If Ford had made it $70k, I still don't think many would complain. Fact is, you can't buy more vehicle for $50k-$70k right now. And since there are only so many being made, there are plenty of people that see the value of that car greater than MSRP because they WANT one and see the value. I routinely see specialty Porsches, Ferrari's, Even GTR's selling for more than sticker, even not so special ones.

The other side of the coin is that the more people pay for the cars now, the higher the resale value in the future. Ever seen a Z06 vette's resale?? :eyebulge: It's terrible because they discount the hell out of them because they build too many. You won't have that with the GT350. See recent GT500's used car pricing to see what I mean. We sold those over sticker too. So, in the long run, you're paying more, but you'll also hold more.

And those guys getting MSRP, great job. You found one of those dealers out there who has no idea what they have and let's one go cheap. Bad for the dealer, great for the consumer. And I would definitely see about reselling for some extra $$$! lol

If your place bought the FORD GT's. Let's say you actually bought them, title and keys in hand ...they are yours. Then I would agree...Sell them for whatever your heart desires. Because they are yours to sell. Whatever subjective reasoning you have behind that set price is yours to defend and justify to your targeted market. And if they buy that line of crap then you deserve them as your client. It only means they have a lot more money than brains.

If however you have the cars just like the majority of dealerships have them...on a consignment through the manufacturer financing with a ticker going that depreciates your profit the longer it sits in your inventory then I completely fail to see how you can even justify any reason other than simple greed as the motivation for a 100% markup. Its just obscene and the reason why the stereotypes of the vultures that work for dealerships is perpetuated.

You might be a nice guy, a family man, but your sense of ethics here is completely skewed. The cars are not really yours. You're the salesman representing the Manufacturer and hoping that the brand identity and owner loyalty will maintain your business. What you do is alienate the projected demographic that FoMoCo really targeted and go straight for harpooning the whales well above that intended demographic who really do have more money than brains.

 

[mbreinin]

There will be used ones for those willing to wait. It is the same thing with any new, hard edged performance car. People rush out to buy them and be the first to have them, then realize the car is more than they want to deal with and trade them in or sell them. Just wait for the Alfa 4C dump to happen. Dealer by my father wanted 100k ADM on their car. 8 out of 10 people won't be able to deal with that car. I would say the GT350 attrition rate will be smaller, but it will exist. Probably 20-30% within the first year.

Mike

 

[DrumReaper]

There will be used ones for those willing to wait. It is the same thing with any new, hard edged performance car. People rush out to buy them and be the first to have them, then realize the car is more than they want to deal with and trade them in or sell them. Just wait for the Alfa 4C dump to happen. Dealer by my father wanted 100k ADM on their car. 8 out of 10 people won't be able to deal with that car. I would say the GT350 attrition rate will be smaller, but it will exist. Probably 20-30% within the first year.

Mike

Not the 2015 year...

 

[Rated R]

There will be used ones for those willing to wait. It is the same thing with any new, hard edged performance car. People rush out to buy them and be the first to have them, then realize the car is more than they want to deal with and trade them in or sell them. Just wait for the Alfa 4C dump to happen. Dealer by my father wanted 100k ADM on their car. 8 out of 10 people won't be able to deal with that car. I would say the GT350 attrition rate will be smaller, but it will exist. Probably 20-30% within the first year.

Mike

Perhaps. I think cars like the '13-'14 GT500 and the Hellcats are cars that scare the hell out of people. The GT350 will also have a hell of a lot of power but it's also going to be able to handle that power better than these other two.

 

[kpflynn]

Anyone know of a good dealer in the Pac NW? Reached out to one and got this reply:

"The order banks at the factory are open now, and production will start within the next week or two. I can order the car to your specs. The MSRP on the car with the tech package is going to be approximately 70000.00, and I am ordering them for 17500.00 over the MSRP."

Yeah...right. Only $87,500 to order a non-R with tech package! What a deal!

 

[u8mylunch]

Anyone know of a good dealer in the Pac NW? Reached out to one and got this reply:

"The order banks at the factory are open now, and production will start within the next week or two. I can order the car to your specs. The MSRP on the car with the tech package is going to be approximately 70000.00, and I am ordering them for 17500.00 over the MSRP."

Yeah...right. Only $87,500 to order a non-R with tech package! What a deal!

Their 70K price is way high for a GT350, that's even over an "R" with electronics and any stripes or black roof. Send him the price guide and ask him where they got their numbers from.

 

[krt22]

lol.

My only advice is to look for dealerships outside of large metro areas and possible in neighboring states. Idaho is looking prime right now!

 

[kpflynn]

Their 70K price is way high for a GT350, that's even over an "R" with electronics and any stripes or black roof. Send him the price guide and ask him where they got their numbers from.

I get ADM...but trying to lie by that much on the MSRP is just shady.

 

[krt22]

Maybe those dingdongs thought you could add all the packages to a single car, even then its only 66k for a non-R. Or that is adm+msrp "adjustments"

 

[mbreinin]

Not the 2015 year...

They will be up for sale used by profiteers hoping to cash in. Mark my words.

Perhaps. I think cars like the '13-'14 GT500 and the Hellcats are cars that scare the hell out of people. The GT350 will also have a hell of a lot of power but it's also going to be able to handle that power better than these other two.

I don't think it is an issue of raw speed. I think it is an issue of the car won't be for everyone. Some will find it uncomfortable, some will not be satisfied with the performance, some will be intimidated and some will realize they overspent....or other factors. However, 2016s will be on lots within months of being picked up.

Mike

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