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[FPCV8YO]

Not really soliciting. We have the buyers. Don't get me wrong, if someone here would like to order a car from me, I'm not against that. lol I just was reading some pretty funny stuff in here and thought I'd share a dealers perspective. I find it funny that some people think an ADM is the worst thing in the world. It's not, really. Just part of any business with a hot product.

If I may ask, what was your name? Or you can PM me.

You can PM me if you would like.

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[krt22]

Not really soliciting. We have the buyers. Don't get me wrong, if someone here would like to order a car from me, I'm not against that. lol I just was reading some pretty funny stuff in here and thought I'd share a dealers perspective. I find it funny that some people think an ADM is the worst thing in the world. It's not, really. Just part of any business with a hot product.

If I may ask, what was your name? Or you can PM me.

Well I wouldn't say this is true. 99 out of 100 consumer products don't follow this business model. in general, if you want some product, you go to the store, pay a price, walk out with it. Out of stock or limited? Well you might have to wait, but the retailer isnt going to ask you for more money or start taking bids. Although in many cases they would simply hold a lottery when they have more buyers than products, thus a fair way to divide up the suply

The only time you would ahve to pay more is if someone was able to buy the product first and resell it to you for more. In those cases the middle man had no other motive than profit driven greed. I suppose I could take delivery of my car and try to make a few k marking it up

 

[ElSanchez302]

Well I wouldn't say this is true. 99 out of 100 consumer products don't follow this business model. in general, if you want some product, you go to the store, pay a price, walk out with it. Out of stock or limited? Well you might have to wait, but the retailer isnt going to ask you for more money or start taking bids. Although in many cases they would simply hold a lottery when they have more buyers than products, thus a fair way to divide up the suply

The only time you would ahve to pay more is if someone was able to buy the product first and resell it to you for more. In those cases the middle man had no other motive than profit driven greed. I suppose I could take delivery of my car and try to make a few k marking it up

99 out of 100 products are not limited to production, though. Here, we are. You'll pay top dollar for apples new products plus pay thru the nose for their warranties/packages for a phone that will be worth nothing in a couple months. Yet, people do it even tho they know they could play less for it in a few months. Apple will not stop producing until demand is full. And they still get "sticker price". Those buying 4k TV's right now are getting hosed, but they WANT the tech and are willing to pay for them even though in a few years everyone will be able to get one at costco for a third of the price with limitless production.

For our Ford GT's, we will have an auction as you stated. We may only get literally 2-3 cars, and we've had huuuuge offers so far but also a huge list of people who want one (many of them GT owners already). So, with no fair way to pick and choose who gets those limited cars, when we get them, we are most likely going to contact those clients interested and let them duke it out. That will be the market for that car.

I don't think there is anyone here that doesn't believe the GT350 is a phenomenal buy at $50k. If Ford had made it $70k, I still don't think many would complain. Fact is, you can't buy more vehicle for $50k-$70k right now. And since there are only so many being made, there are plenty of people that see the value of that car greater than MSRP because they WANT one and see the value. I routinely see specialty Porsches, Ferrari's, Even GTR's selling for more than sticker, even not so special ones.

The other side of the coin is that the more people pay for the cars now, the higher the resale value in the future. Ever seen a Z06 vette's resale?? :eyebulge: It's terrible because they discount the hell out of them because they build too many. You won't have that with the GT350. See recent GT500's used car pricing to see what I mean. We sold those over sticker too. So, in the long run, you're paying more, but you'll also hold more.

And those guys getting MSRP, great job. You found one of those dealers out there who has no idea what they have and let's one go cheap. Bad for the dealer, great for the consumer. And I would definitely see about reselling for some extra $$$! lol

 

[TYGT350]

Went to the dealer today. They were looking for $10k was possibly able to do $5k over. I decided against it. Same ol' song.

I'll enjoy the S4 for longer and see how the 2017s go. If they still want gobs of money over at that point I might just buy out the Audi, sorry Ford!

 

[TYGT350]

99 out of 100 products are not limited to production, though. Here, we are. You'll pay top dollar for apples new products plus pay thru the nose for their warranties/packages for a phone that will be worth nothing in a couple months. Yet, people do it even tho they know they could play less for it in a few months. Apple will not stop producing until demand is full. And they still get "sticker price". Those buying 4k TV's right now are getting hosed, but they WANT the tech and are willing to pay for them even though in a few years everyone will be able to get one at costco for a third of the price with limitless production.

For our Ford GT's, we will have an auction as you stated. We may only get literally 2-3 cars, and we've had huuuuge offers so far but also a huge list of people who want one (many of them GT owners already). So, with no fair way to pick and choose who gets those limited cars, when we get them, we are most likely going to contact those clients interested and let them duke it out. That will be the market for that car.

I don't think there is anyone here that doesn't believe the GT350 is a phenomenal buy at $50k. If Ford had made it $70k, I still don't think many would complain. Fact is, you can't buy more vehicle for $50k-$70k right now. And since there are only so many being made, there are plenty of people that see the value of that car greater than MSRP because they WANT one and see the value. I routinely see specialty Porsches, Ferrari's, Even GTR's selling for more than sticker, even not so special ones.

The other side of the coin is that the more people pay for the cars now, the higher the resale value in the future. Ever seen a Z06 vette's resale?? :eyebulge: It's terrible because they discount the hell out of them because they build too many. You won't have that with the GT350. See recent GT500's used car pricing to see what I mean. We sold those over sticker too. So, in the long run, you're paying more, but you'll also hold more.

And those guys getting MSRP, great job. You found one of those dealers out there who has no idea what they have and let's one go cheap. Bad for the dealer, great for the consumer. And I would definitely see about reselling for some extra $$$! lol

Very true. But that's just not happening. In a perfect world where you get one at MSRP after options(in my case stripes and car cover), tax, gas guzzler, destination, finance charge you're looking at $56-57k out the door. That's an insane deal for what the car has to offer. But as of now it's more like a $67-67k(or 76-77k if it's $20k over) car out the door. Why it's like that I understand but for me at that point lessens it's appeal. But we can go around and around in circles about it. Of course the customer wants to pay the least possible (in this case MSRP) and the dealer wants to capitalize on a low production vehicle in it's first year. You play on the emotions of the buyer and then they're willing to fork over $$$. For someone like me who doesn't make alot of money I just can't do that. So, it is what it is.

 

[DrumReaper]

Well I wouldn't say this is true. 99 out of 100 consumer products don't follow this business model.

Lol... Drug dealers and pimps do it all the time.

Good call out.

 

[DrumReaper]

So, let me get this right...... A dealer justifies gouging because they feel the product manufacturer got the MSRP wrong??? Somebody help me out here... I'm figuring the dealers should be making the cars and Ford should be selling them. Ugh...@£#}¥&&$;@2"!!!

I call some serious BS there buddy.

 

[krt22]

Very true. But that's just not happening. In a perfect world where you get one at MSRP after options(in my case stripes and car cover), tax, gas guzzler, destination, finance charge you're looking at $56-57k out the door. That's an insane deal for what the car has to offer. But as of now it's more like a $67-77k car out the door. Why it's like that I understand but for me at that point lessens it's appeal. But we can go around and around in circles about it. Of course the customer wants to pay the least possible (in this case MSRP) and the dealer wants to capitalize on a low production vehicle in it's first year. You play on the emotions of the buyer and then they're willing to fork over $$$. For someone like me who doesn't make alot of money I just can't do that. So, it is what it is.

Fully agreed. And the reason the GT350R is as attractive as it is, its its price point. At 60k OTD, its a great value and can be stomached by many mid-range earners. If you tack on even just 10k above that, the value proposition is shifted tremendously. And of course dealers are going to fear monger and try to get folks to bite on these early model cars, but ford has already said it plans for production for 5 years, so once 25k of these are out rolling about, its really not terribly exclusive or limited, so I don't expect anything special in terms of retained value for at least 20-25 years.

 

[ssjvegita]

Fully agreed. And the reason the GT350R is as attractive as it is, its its price point. At 60k OTD, its a great value and can be stomached by many mid-range earners. If you tack on even just 10k above that, the value proposition is shifted tremendously. And of course dealers are going to fear monger and try to get folks to bite on these early model cars, but ford has already said it plans for production for 5 years, so once 25k of these are out rolling about, its really not terribly exclusive or limited, so I don't expect anything special in terms of retained value for at least 20-25 years.

have they confirmed production run for 5 years? can you provide a link as that would be really useful to show these dealers how rare and limited these really are.

 

[krt22]

No of course not, it was leaked and redacted but that was the original plan. They could always cut it short of sales are not as expected

 

[TYGT350]

No of course not, it was leaked and redacted but that was the original plan. They could always cut it short of sales are not as expected

Oh the demand is strong.

 

[Cascadia_302]

And those guys getting MSRP, great job. You found one of those dealers out there who has no idea what they have and let's one go cheap. Bad for the dealer, great for the consumer. And I would definitely see about reselling for some extra $$$! lol

No. The dealership I have been in contact with sells every mustand at or slightly above MSRP even on the GT350's, in fact they're 50th aniversary cars were sold at MSRP. There are some within the extended inventory locally still listed at MSRP. I probably should'nt have mentioned this to you as your greedy sales managers will probably try to get them shipped-in for huge ADM's there in LA.:headbonk:
So why is it so bad for a dealer to not be so phucking greedy? It's actually what's referred to as a win-win situation for both parties.
Greed is a bad disease my friend.:tsk:

 

[Spa2k]

Fortunately, some dealers value a long-term relationship with a customer, sell at MSRP and want that local customer keeping the car in the community and talking about how great (and fair) the dealership is. The resulting sales on Fusions and Escapes and other Mustangs will soon bring way more in profit than a ridiculous ADM ever will.

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

No of course not, it was leaked and redacted but that was the original plan. They could always cut it short of sales are not as expected

Really Jim Owens said the original plan was a 2 year run...He is head of Shelby marketing..he should know..right?

 

[TYGT350]

Fortunately, some dealers value a long-term relationship with a customer, sell at MSRP and want that local customer keeping the car in the community and talking about how great (and fair) the dealership is. The resulting sales on Fusions and Escapes and other Mustangs will soon bring way more in profit than a ridiculous ADM ever will.

Unfortunately the dealership I spoke to doesn't value that. My '11 GT/CS was bought from them. The salesman I dealt with at that time was stellar though. He works at a Porsche/MB dealership now.

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