Am I to understand.....

[dcgolfdr]

I think as long as you are stock you would probably be OK if something mechanical went wrong at the track. This has been my personal experience when I had my GTR and when Nissan was voiding warranties left and right.

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[Khyber]

How does Ford (or any vehicle manufacturer) advertise this car as a street/track machine and then get away with denial of warranty claims when the car is used exactly as it's advertised?

because manufacturers are protected under law so consumer can't ride them like a dirty you know what that has been rode hard and put up wet.

 

[MAV]

It just seems a bit disingenuous to talk about how this car is truly a "weekend track star" and then state in the fine print your warranty may be denied if you use the car in this manner. Hell, they're putting all the media in these cars AT THE TRACK to get the word out about them!

It would be no different than them denying a claim on my F250 diesel if the engine blew while I was towing a heavy load.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still buying my car and I'll still love it, but it just sucks.

 

[Blk2015GT]

It just seems a bit disingenuous to talk about how this car is truly a "weekend track star" and then state in the fine print your warranty may be denied if you use the car in this manner. Hell, they're putting all the media in these cars AT THE TRACK to get the word out about them!

It would be no different than them denying a claim on my F250 diesel if the engine blew while I was towing a heavy load.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still buying my car and I'll still love it, but it just sucks.

It's pay to play. If you're racing a car, any car, then you know the risks of using in in a race/track scenario and should be ready to pay out of pocket for any damage. If the person can't afford to repair the car without warranty or insurance then shouldn't be racing to begin with.

 

[Sered]

I wonder how many of the people complaining about no warranty coverage for actual racing have actually done or know what a HPDE is?

 

[Five Oh Brian]

Warranty is not void simply by racing your car. Individual warranty claims only get denied if there is a cause/effect relationship between usage/modification of the car and the failure at hand. My '14 Mustang GT has been raced a lot at our local dragstrips, yet I've had warranty work successfully covered by Ford's warranty for components that have nothing to do with my mods or usage. Granted, if I were to ever have a powertrain failure, I would never expect Ford to cover it since I've modified those components. As others have said, you gotta pay to play.

 

[Patio208]

It does, But legally ford cannot access the black box for any reason with the exception of aiding law enforcement. And law enforcement cannot access it without a warrant.

Ford wont care to do this tbh, unless there's a more necessary reason.

Not to beat a dead horse but.....Partially true, very few states have firm laws in place on this issue anyway. Correct, the data belongs to the owner of the car and law enforcement needs some form of consent or a warrant, but law enforcement would only be involved in a criminal case/traffic crash. A blown motor is neither, that's a potentially defective product. The manufacturer will want to learn why their product experienced catastrophic failure. How else are they going to identify or repair the problem without conducting a diagnostic? Not to hammer the owner but guaranty the integrity of their product.

 

[Blk2015GT]

Not to beat a dead horse but.....Partially true, very few states have firm laws in place on this issue anyway. Correct, the data belongs to the owner of the car and law enforcement needs some form of consent or a warrant, but law enforcement would only be involved in a criminal case/traffic crash. A blown motor is neither, that's a potentially defective product. The manufacturer will want to learn why their product experienced catastrophic failure. How else are they going to identify or repair the problem without conducting a diagnostic? Not to hammer the owner but guaranty the integrity of their product.

Ford can access your car's data and they can simply refuse warranty service if you refuse to left them access the data, period. They have the right to diagnose the problem and check for user abuse before honoring any warranty repair.

I guarantee the warranty has this language built in somewhere too if you read it all the way through.

You can try to sue them to honor the warranty while refusing to turn over access to the "black box" but good luck with that one. If you did nothing wrong and have nothing to hide then there is no reason to prevent access to the data. It is NOT as much data as you think it holds truthfully and nothing that can incriminate you of anything but mostly engine management, acceleration, braking, lateral forces data etc. Stuff a crash report would have. The car doesn't store location data or anything that would be private information.

 

[krt22]

Since when is the Ecm a black box?

 

[gearhead999s]

I can tell you how BMW handles issues like this as I had my M-DCT transmission go while I was on track.Drove the car to my dealer and my dealer knew the car was at the track when the issue happened as they know me quite well.I have instructed at many track days that a lot of the dealership staff have been at including the dealer principles.There are 2 data streams that are downloaded,one for the dealer and one to BMW AG.It took about 4 days to get approval from BMW for the replacement transmission after reviewing the download which looks for abuse and modifications to the driveline.
If I had to pay this out of pocket it would have been close to a $20000 bill as they do not rebuild transmissions any longer.When I picked up the car on a Saturday AM,the service manager asked if I was going to the track!I was but only to help with coaching a friend in a TA 2 car.

 

[Grimace427]

Since when is the Ecm a black box?

It's not. People are confusing the SRS module(which stores crash data in the event of a collision) with the PCM. Data stored in the PCM relates to fault codes and malfunctions. Your driving behavior is not stored in the PCM just because.

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