Advice for Ecoboost options

[Dirty-EB-Chicago]

Seriously...I still don't understand why someone would come on an Internet forum to ask for advice, start out by saying they won't listen to anyone telling them to do the one thing that even the manufacturer of the car recommends, then spend days arguing why he is right and everyone else is wrong. But, then again, I have just spent another 10 minutes arguing with an idiot, and not beating on my car...:headbonk:

^This was the best part. I'm friending you just for how awesome that was. :cheers:

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[5Mad]

Why oh why do I continue to feed the troll.

If you consider the money you'd save not going out to eat or dinner you could both not feed the trolls and have some extra coin in your pocket.

1.) I know the difference between 87 and 93 because my car was purchased pre-owned from someone who only ran 87 and logged every fill up on Fuelly. I followed his logs, and ran 3 talks of 87 myself prior to switching to 93. Power went up TREMENDOUSLY (my wife asked me if I had already modified the tune), and fuel economy went up 1-1.5mpg in all city driving. I have detailed logs if you need proof of this.

If you believe that, when called out on the octane having no real impact as you didn't even understand it, you then magically have "fuel logs" at least one of us believes it. Except you likely don't either.

What about fuel economy and octane? Gasoline-powered automobiles sold in the U.S. are certified using the same EPA-standardized fuel.“The EPA and automakers use Indolene test fuel for all (gasoline) vehicle testing, for consistency purposes,” a spokesperson for the agency says. “Indolene is a high-octane fuel that meets a wide range of technical specifications.”
Ford confirmed this and added: “All our testing is done with an EPA certification fuel. The current certification fuel has no ethanol and has octane similar to pump premium.”
Ford told me that they see at least 3 percent fuel economy loss with regular unleaded in a typical turbocharged EcoBoost engine on the most severe EPA regulated cycle (US06). But that high-speed cycle makes up less than 20 percent of a five-cycle test procedure that is used to establish the EPA fuel economy rating.
“Past EPA programs have shown higher octane has negligible impacts on fuel economy,” the EPA spokesperson said.

Go figure.

 

[Ebm]

Wowzas

 

[Elgyn]

Why oh why do I continue to feed the troll. Oh well, here's another waste of 10 minutes of my time touching on some points from his past comment that leads me to believe he is f*cking with all of us...

I have just spent another 10 minutes arguing with an idiot, and not beating on my car...:headbonk:

don't stop. It entertains us.

 

[5.0yote]

So...might I ask why you would spend money to modify a car for better performance that you don't plan on "hitting hard"?

First...Ford designed the car to run on 91+, but also knew that there would be peop,e that refuse to run premium, so there were safeties put into place to prevent major damage from occurring when running 87. Seriously, the cost of your Ford intake will exceed the difference in premium fuel over 2 years, and will offer ZERO benefit.

Second, if you think a small n/a V8 and a high compression turbo 4 have anything in common, you are really messing with the wrong vehicle. Not trying to argue with you, but the comment about waiting for the ecoboost thread was not off base. You are playing with fire by modifying a turbo 4 for better performance, then expecting it to run on diluted piss water for any amount of time.

Honestly, you bought the wrong Mustang. You should have started this thread with "just bought a V6 convertible". Everything else you have mentioned is throwing money away, and if that's what you like to do then so be it. But coming on to a forum and asking what the best thing to do is, then arguing why you won't do it is simply ludicrous.

I agree with everything in here, The EBM and 5.0 for that matter were never built to run on 87 (they can but not if you want to get the advertised performance), their power output specs are specifically premium fuel only (91+ octane based on CA emissions), only the 3.7 makes its rated numbers on 87 pump gas.

 

[solodogg]

:cheers:If you believe that, when called out on the octane having no real impact as you didn't even understand it, you then magically have "fuel logs" at least one of us believes it. Except you likely don't either.

You're absolutely right, I don't have a single log, and just decided to get on the internet and lie about them for fun...

Oh wait! I might have one or two...


Also, keep quoting shit that doesn't apply to this platform. That EPA comment you posted/bolded is a general blanket statement that is only correct if the tuning for both 87 and 91 octane is the exact same. Higher octane only resists pre-ignition, which also allows more spark advance. If you cannot grasp the correlation between extra spark advance and more power/increased efficiency, then your automotive knowledge is extremely elementary.

"Ford told me that they see at least 3 percent fuel economy loss with regular unleaded in a typical turbocharged EcoBoost engine on the most severe EPA regulated cycle (US06)". Amazing...Ford notices a decrease in fuel economy with regular unleaded fuel vs premium, and uses premium for their testing. So, you basically proved a point while trying to argue it with a statement made by the EPA that blanket applies across the board...

What the hell exactly do you think an ECU does to increase efficiency on a motor, and if your thoughts on octane are correct why do 89 and 91/92/93 even exist? Using your thought process, I should rush out and pick up a 458 Italian and fill it to the brim with 87 octane, and ask Ferrari why it sounds like I have marbles in the cylinders.

Wanna try quoting how the Paris Climate Accord somehow says 87 is ok for use in all engines? How about how Colonel Sanders said there is no reason for extra tasty crispy because original is just fine for everybody?

 

[Arno_ecobeast]

hahahaahahahaah.. oh this was an entertaining read.. if nothing else it definitely was not educational.
I have seen MPG increases from changing from 87 to 91 in a 1.6ltr Hyundai Getz... My old car, VW Golf R also said you 'can' run 87 but it knocked on WOT immediately. I mean i was out of the city and the only place that had fuel had shit 87 and no octane booster availble for sale either. I only put in a bit to get me to the next station but it missed getting back onto the freeway. the mpg was terrible as i had a live (better than ford) mpg meter and it was about 15% worse. the car just hated it. Filled up with 93 and it was back to normal.
My old '91 Pulsar GtiR also missed on 87 on WOT. So i mean if you want to 'mod' your car to be nice to drive between 2000 and 4400 rpm on partial throttle i think you will be fine on 70 octane. if you can find it... should save you heaps of power and money

 

[JamesinLittleSilver]

I didn't want to jump in on this but turned into a reasonable at times discussion.
If you do the FP tune yes you can run the 87 if you are sure your wife won't try to bang it around it will probably make no difference to her. Then make sure you put 93 in it for a couple hundred miles before you rent it from her and you will be good.

91-93 octane give me about a 1MPG increase from 87...which I have only run a couple times in desperation.

I included a couple pictures of my cp-e intercooler vs the cheap original one. Huge difference. I should have done earlier ...my bad.

 

[solodogg]

I included a couple pictures of my cp-e intercooler vs the cheap original one. Huge difference. I should have done earlier ...my bad.

Mishimoto intercooler was my first and only performance mod right now, and made a considerable difference even with the stock tune. Previously, I could jump on the highway after sitting in traffic and feel the car pulling timing until I had cruised along for a few miles. Now, that feeling is completely gone, the car just wants to pull no matter how long I have been sitting in traffic. I also deleted the shutters at the same time, and the car doesn't seem to heat soak as quickly as it did prior to.

 

[jtmat]

I politely asked twice in that post for them not to do that. They can't help it. Lack of emotional control. Which is based on many things. An example:

Yea, they are young or retarded... don't worry about it. Some of the strangest sh't I've seen on a forum like this though... maybe they are drunks....

Want to spin up a retard? Tell him/her you don't need an intercooler on the Eco Mustang... or there is no such thing as heat soak during street driving and it is all in their mind.... gets them every time. They spin out of control... :lol:

At any rate, you did not deserve the BS here...

Good luck running 87. Be sure to take pictures of the hole in your block. Just kidding... sorta...

 

[Elgyn]

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[solodogg]

Yea, they are young or retarded... don't worry about it. Some of the strangest sh't I've seen on a forum like this though... maybe they are drunks....

Want to spin up a retard? Tell him/her you don't need an intercooler on the Eco Mustang... or there is no such thing as heat soak during street driving and it is all in their mind.... gets them every time. They spin out of control... :lol:

At any rate, you did not deserve the BS here...

Good luck running 87. Be sure to take pictures of the hole in your block. Just kidding... sorta...

36, never had a drop of alcohol, but have had 140 degree heat soaked intercooler until about a month ago...

Oh, just saved a bunch of money by switching to Geico. You too could save 15% in just 15 minutes or less :headbonk:

 

[Ebm]

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36, never had a drop of alcohol, but have had 140 degree heat soaked intercooler until about a month ago...

Oh, just saved a bunch of money by switching to Geico. You too could save 15% in just 15 minutes or less :headbonk:

With our cars, this is pretty accurate. OP, would you rather be bored or having fun?

 

[Elgyn]

LOL, Saw that meme once with more of a "keep calm, jerk off in traffic" quote
:focus:

 

[jbailer]

That's funny, that guy thinks you can just put the fuel in, pull out of the gas station and compare them? You have to give the car a while of driving on the 93 so the ECU can re-learn, adapt the tables for the higher octane... :headbonk:

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