5.2 liter auto 2017 gt!!

[B4RK3R]

I doubt they will put this in the '18 Mustang GT. There would be a few pissed off GT350 owners around lol. Wonder if this is the start of the GT500 motor, or even a special Mach 1 motor. If it does come out for the GT's I'll be taking a loss and trading up.

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[z06psi]

This type of stuff happens all the time.

1995 ZR1 405 h.p.
2001 Z06 405 h.p.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

This type of stuff happens all the time.

1995 ZR1 405 h.p.
2001 Z06 405 h.p.

The C6 ZR1 and C7 Z06 come to mind...

 

[Stroked84]

This type of stuff happens all the time.

1995 ZR1 405 h.p.
2001 Z06 405 h.p.

The C6 ZR1 and C7 Z06 come to mind...

What parallel are you making though? The previous generation GT350 had 430hp, and the current GT has 435hp. If this new engine/trim is a "Z06" in your example, what is the "ZR1" it is coming from/supplanting?

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

What parallel are you making though? The previous generation GT350 had 430hp, and the current GT has 435hp. If this new engine/trim is a "Z06" in your example, what is the "ZR1" it is coming from/supplanting?

The current GT350

 

[Stroked84]

The current GT350

Then do you think this is for a S650 GT? Or do you think Ford would let their lower tiered GT surpass their GT350 during the same generation? I personally don't see Ford doing that even for a 2018 refresh. I would love it if they did and it would lock me in for a 2018 GT. I just think this would be unusual (probably unprecedented?) and different than the older ZR1 vs newer Z06 comparison considering they were separated by a generation.

Although it could be similar to the 2010 GT 4.6L vs 2011 GT 5.0L which saw a 97hp bump. Maybe in 2018 they release the GT500, stop production of the GT350 and release a 500hp GT. Fingers crossed.

 

[Big Boss]

Yup they are removing the 2.3 EB and putting in the 3.5 so the options will be:

-3.5L V6 Ecoboost
-5.2L V8 GT
-?.?L V8 GT500

I can't see that. Well actually I can because it would be awesome. The 3.5 in a Mustang would be one hell of a car. However they would still need to offer a "base engine"

 

[Cardude99]

I can't see that. Well actually I can because it would be awesome. The 3.5 in a Mustang would be one hell of a car. However they would still need to offer a "base engine"

The 3.5 would possibly outperform the gt, my guess would be a 2.7 eco if they wanted to change out the 2.3l. However I can't see them abandoning the 4 cylinder motor in the stang. It's selling too well.

 

[lemers]

The 3.5 would possibly outperform the gt, my guess would be a 2.7 eco if they wanted to change out the 2.3l. However I can't see them abandoning the 4 cylinder motor in the stang. It's selling too well.

And it really ups the Ford Gas mileage average. The Turbo is here at stay, at least for a while.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

Then do you think this is for a S650 GT? Or do you think Ford would let their lower tiered GT surpass their GT350 during the same generation? I personally don't see Ford doing that even for a 2018 refresh. I would love it if they did and it would lock me in for a 2018 GT. I just think this would be unusual (probably unprecedented?) and different than the older ZR1 vs newer Z06 comparison considering they were separated by a generation.

Although it could be similar to the 2010 GT 4.6L vs 2011 GT 5.0L which saw a 97hp bump. Maybe in 2018 they release the GT500, stop production of the GT350 and release a 500hp GT. Fingers crossed.

My prediction is a 2018 5.2 with approximately 485hp/450lbft in a car other than a shelby. That is all.

 

[nastang87xx]

I don't think this 5.2L displacement is something people should be focusing on nor do I understand how that came about as a logical prediction. It's an XS crate motor. The gnarliest of the gnarly. The '07 GT500 saw a 5.4L displacement. Never came in a base car. The '13 saw a 5.8L displacement. Never saw that on a base car. Just because that displacement is being used or mentioned in current products or soon to be released products such as create engines doesn't mean wide spread mass development.

It's pretty clear Ford likes to keep certain lineups unique in their specs. Think of all the motors that have been in Mustangs and their sub models for the past 20 years. It's a LOT.

'96 GT 4.6L 2v
'98 GT 4.6L 2v with a power bump
'99 GT 4.6L 2v with another power bump
'96 Cobra 4.6L 4v
'99 Cobra 4.6L 4v with a power bump
'00 Cobra R 5.4L 4v
'01 Bullitt 4.6L 2v with yet ANOTHER power bump
'03 Cobra 4.6L 4v SC'ed
'05 GT 4.6L 3v
'07 GT500 5.4L SC'ed
'08 Bullitt/'10 GT 4.6L 3v with a power bump
'10 GT500 5.4L SC'ed with a power bump
'11 GT500 5.4L SC'ed with another power bump
'11 GT 5.0L 4v
'12 Boss 302 5.0L highly specialized
'13 GT 5.0L 4v with a power bump
'13 GT500 5.8L SC'ed
'15 GT 5.0L 4v with another power bump
'16 GT350 5.2L 4v

See a trend here? That base 4.6L displacement stuck around for 14 years! The special model cars also were very uniquely different from their base siblings.There's 5.4's and 5.8's and 5.2's and superchargers and yada yada yada. But those displacements and platforms never yielded into base cars. The only exception out of this entire lot is the '08 Bullitt and the '10 Refresh. One could argue that the Boss Roadrunner basically landed in the S550 but that's not exactly correct in my mind. Yes there was shared hardware but fact of the matter is, the '15 Coyote revision is still a Coyote and is very much rated differently and clearly meant more for daily driving with its more peaky torque curve, lower redline (still), and induction and intake system design. I see the 5.0 continuing for a while with yet another power bump.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

I don't think this 5.2L displacement is something people should be focusing on nor do I understand how that came about as a logical prediction. It's an XS crate motor. The gnarliest of the gnarly. The '07 GT500 saw a 5.4L displacement. Never came in a base car. The '13 saw a 5.8L displacement. Never saw that on a base car. Just because that displacement is being used or mentioned in current products or soon to be released products such as create engines doesn't mean wide spread mass development.

It's pretty clear Ford likes to keep certain lineups unique in their specs. Think of all the motors that have been in Mustangs and their sub models for the past 20 years. It's a LOT.

'96 GT 4.6L 2v
'98 GT 4.6L 2v with a power bump
'99 GT 4.6L 2v with another power bump
'96 Cobra 4.6L 4v
'99 Cobra 4.6L 4v with a power bump
'00 Cobra R 5.4L 4v
'01 Bullitt 4.6L 2v with yet ANOTHER power bump
'03 Cobra 4.6L 4v SC'ed
'05 GT 4.6L 3v
'07 GT500 5.4L SC'ed
'08 Bullitt/'10 GT 4.6L 3v with a power bump
'10 GT500 5.4L SC'ed with a power bump
'11 GT500 5.4L SC'ed with yet ANOTHER power bump
'11 GT 5.0L 4v
'12 Boss 302 5.0L highly specialized
'13 GT 5.0L 4v with a power bump
'13 GT500 5.8L SC'ed
'15 GT 5.0L 4v with yet ANOTHER power bump
'16 GT350 5.2L 4v

See a trend here? That base 4.6L displacement stuck around for 14 years! The special model cars also were very uniquely different from their base siblings.There's 5.4's and 5.8's and 5.2's and superchargers and yada yada yada. But those displacements and platforms never yielded into base cars. The only exception out of this entire lot is the '08 Bullitt and the '10 Refresh. One could argue that the Boss Roadrunner basically landed in the S550 but that's not exactly correct in my mind. Yes there was shared hardware but fact of the matter is, the '15 Coyote revision is still a Coyote and is very much rated differently and clearly meant more for daily driving with its more peaky torque curve, lower redline (still), and induction and intake system design. I see the 5.0 continuing for a while with yet another power bump.

Ford published a document about 2-3 months back that confirmed there was a 5.2 CPC that was to be used up until 2021.

I don't remember the EXACT wording but the 5.2 non-FPC was in there. It was something about labor and contract literature. Wish I could remember where it was posted here. I don't feel like searching for it right now;)

 

[thePill]

...the camaro had ONE advantage and it was output. The output advantage was only really evident in the SS trim and with the auto equipped.

It is something Ford can easily change now that the GT350 is backward and forward compatible. There are so many possibilities that nobody can really say for sure. All this comes at a time when sales are just beginning to decline.

Chevy has nothing "Camaro" to contend with the GT350 in Motorsport. The GT500 is bringing an EB V8 to the table, a place a zl1 cannot touch dollar for dollar.

The Mustang was just in a far better position and took advantage early. Product planning and marketing has been nearly flawless. Ford controls their own media while Chevy is still paying for theirs. There is nothing any camaro can do about a GT350 in Motorsport and it will require a Corvette to intervene. Even Porsche can't handle it... and the SS is no GT4.


The Mustang regained all its lost market share and then some. The Mustang has saturated the market early and the '18 updates were planned strategically.

Does anyone have any idea how bad a refreshed Mustang is for a camaro within its first Model Year? It's really, really bad. Chances are its $5000 cheaper than the camaro STILL. By that time the 1SS will be pushing up to $39,000 to cover the losses from short sales.

 

[nastang87xx]

Ford published a document about 2-3 months back that confirmed there was a 5.2 CPC that was to be used up until 2021.

I don't remember the EXACT wording but the 5.2 non-FPC was in there. It was something about labor and contract literature. Wish I could remember where it was posted here. I don't feel like searching for it right now;)

I think I know what you're talking about and I'm pretty sure it was for Ford Performance division for Voodoo based blocks for specialized motors like the XS. There's no doubt in my mind that derivatives of the 5.2 will be around for racing for a while but in terms of mass production? Eh...I'm skeptical. I think it would be cool to see the return of the 5.4L NA in a hyperized car like a "GT390" or TT'ed in a GT500. All of this is of course pipe dreams.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

I think I know what you're talking about and I'm pretty sure it was for Ford Performance division for Voodoo based blocks for specialized motors like the XS. There's no doubt in my mind that derivatives of the 5.2 will be around for racing for a while but in terms of mass production? Eh...I'm skeptical. I think it would be cool to see the return of the 5.4L NA in a hyperized car like a "GT390" or TT'ed in a GT500. All of this is of course pipe dreams.

:cheers::ford:

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