350R VS Z/28

[DrumReaper]

You guys have to be kidding me... Brand loyalty? Horse manure. If Chevy had come out with a FPC I would've heralded it as amazing just as I did the 90's ZR1 engine. I still admire that engine as a feat.

I'm a purist... I love talent, brilliant engineering and a little rebellious attitude when it comes to those saying it can't be done. Ford just told the world FPCs aren't made only in Europe. If Chevy had done it first I'd say the same thing.

Y'all need to get over yourselves...

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[347CobraII]

What's neat with Voodoo engine is long fat torq range and RPM range.

What I was talking about with GM why they never tried FPC. I know GM obese with using big engine. But they don't have RPM range or flat torq range. I like how Ford uses smaller V8 engine put same good tech in it and still gets the job done

 

[Nataphen]

You guys have to be kidding me... Brand loyalty? Horse manure. If Chevy had come out with a FPC I would've heralded it as amazing just as I did the 90's ZR1 engine. I still admire that engine as a feat.

I'm a purist... I love talent, brilliant engineering and a little rebellious attitude when it comes to those saying it can't be done. Ford just told the world FPCs aren't made only in Europe. If Chevy had done it first I'd say the same thing.

Y'all need to get over yourselves...

I love the LT5 too. I wish GM would explore that concept again, but they're going to stick with pushrods until they absolutely can't anymore because it's working for them from a profit standpoint.

I was just saying that a motor that makes power down low (GM) because it can move a larger volume of air through displacement isn't necessarily worse than a motor that makes power up top (Ford) because it has to turn higher RPM to move the same volume of air. If you have the right gearing, you can take advantage of either strategy.

Ford began the whole OEM supercharged pony car craze because, frankly, the LS motors were ripping them apart back in the late 90s to early 2000s. Now, Ford's tech is much better than it was, and their NA engines are strong. GM can't increase displacement enough to compete and still meet emissions. So, now the shoe is on the other foot.

Ford took more risks, and took some blows for it early on. However, now they're much further along in the ever increasing emissions regulations than GM. GM's displacement is capped, and they're bolting blowers on their cars to keep making power. Ford is building small motors that have massive variable cam timing adjustments to keep the low end in check, and they'll rev into the stratosphere.

 

[DrumReaper]

The only reasons why the Z/28 outperformed the LS302 were because of displacement, magnetic shocks, CF brakes and IRS... And all that in a $75K package. There's no comparison now... Even the GTPP's outperform the B302's. What's that say about Chevy? Nothing...

 

[Nataphen]

The fifth gen 1LE beat the new GTPP around the track. The GT is a better all around car, but the 1LE still won the numbers game. You can find merits in either brand.

 

[Khell86]

because it is a TRACK ORIENTED car first and foremost. how are you going to heavily market the track aspect and have it fall short of its target on the track? LOL That is the epitome of failure.

I see what you are saying, but even if it was only able to match the Z28's performance i'd still consider it a win. Like I said its doing more with less. More value. Those who only preach numbers would most likely agree with you though. Lets not forget though that Ford aimed higher. The Z28 wasn't even a target initially.

 

[Rick R]

"This car keeps the pace with a 991 GT3, but it's a piece of crap because it may not beat the z28 on a particular track", said nobody who understands sports cars, ever.

 

[Davy_Baby9]

On paper I feel like the R has an advantage almost everywhere, I just feel like on some of the shorter tracks, the z28 will compete just fine with the R.

 

[02gtnh]

"This car keeps the pace with a 991 GT3, but it's a piece of crap because it may not beat the z28 on a particular track", said nobody who understands sports cars, ever.

Link?

 

[krt22]

"This car keeps the pace with a 991 GT3, but it's a piece of crap because it may not beat the z28 on a particular track", said nobody who understands sports cars, ever.

You are wasting your breath man, no point in debating these sorts of things with anyone who thinks this car is about a black/white win/lose game vs the Z28, especially when they only magazine lap times as their performance metric.

 

[9secondko]

The fifth gen 1LE beat the new GTPP around the track. The GT is a better all around car, but the 1LE still won the numbers game. You can find merits in either brand.

The 1LE won once. LOST the other time.

 

[Nataphen]

The 1LE won once. LOST the other time.

In lap times and outright handling, the 1LE won every comparison that I've seen. It lost overall in some comparisons, but that's not what I said. I said the Mustang was the better all around car. The S550 GT wasn't aimed at beating the 1LE anyway in my mind. It's more focused on being an actual GT car, not a track rat. With stiffer (and worse riding) dampers and tires like the 1LE, I'm sure it would win, but it would lose versatility and mass appeal.

 

[9secondko]

In lap times and outright handling, the 1LE won every comparison that I've seen. It lost overall in some comparisons, but that's not what I said. I said the Mustang was the better all around car. The S550 GT wasn't aimed at beating the 1LE anyway in my mind. It's more focused on being an actual GT car, not a track rat. With stiffer (and worse riding) dampers and tires like the 1LE, I'm sure it would win, but it would lose versatility and mass appeal.

You were talking lap times. So was I.

 

[Nataphen]

You were talking lap times. So was I.

Please, give me a link or something showing where a GTPP won in lap times. Not being snarky, I really haven't seen or heard of it. I'd love to.

 

[Rick R]

Link?

I don't have it handy, but you try googling it and you'll find articles that say that the GT350R was benchmarked off the GT3

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