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newsflash; they’re all standard production Mustangs. None of them are special, they’re all based off a 4 cylinder rental car
Well, it may be true that they are all produced on the same assembly line, but they are not the same. Can you name any production car that has multiple trim levels that is NOT based on the most basic trim version?
 

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Well, it may be true that they are all produced on the same assembly line, but they are not the same. Can you name any production car that has multiple trim levels that is NOT based on the most basic trim version?
You’re missing the point. They’re the same car. A badge with a snake doesn’t suddenly make it exotic-level “special”... it’s still just a variant of a 4 banger rental car
 

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Well, it may be true that they are all produced on the same assembly line, but they are not the same. Can you name any production car that has multiple trim levels that is NOT based on the most basic trim version?
You're not wrong, but it only proves the point. An ecoboost is a Mustang. Same as a GT, a Bullitt, a CS, a Mach1, 350, 350R, all the way up to the 500.

They're all riding on the same platform, have the same frame, and mostly the same body panels. All the interiors can be swapped out not only between model, but between model years. The suspension bolts up to the same mounting points, and all have the same wheelbase.

None of the trim levels is any more or less a Mustang. The only car that isn't a Mustang is the Mach-E.
You’re missing the point. They’re the same car. A badge with a snake doesn’t suddenly make it exotic-level “special”... it’s still just a variant of a 4 banger rental car
God damn, do I need to make you two kiss as well? That's all I see in this thread anymore. Bunch of dudes kissing and arguing about stickers.
 

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You’re missing the point. They’re the same car. A badge with a snake doesn’t suddenly make it exotic-level “special”... it’s still just a variant of a 4 banger rental car
That may be true, but as long as the base chassis is quite capable, that's perfectly fine.
And do not forget, that the same applies for almost every car, so according to this argumentation, a Mercedes AMG C63 S with 510HP is just a variant of a diesel taxi (Mercedes C180d with 116HP).
 

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If you go back to the original Mustang or the Fox body Mustang, it's frame and components were shared with regular sedans. This is not the case with the Mustang from at least the S197s and to the current S550. These cars were designed from the ground up to be what it is: Ford's version of a sports/muscle car. Unique parts from the engine to the suspension. The Coyote really is designed to be a Mustang engine regardless of the fact that it's in the F150. Before that the 5.4 and the 4.6 sohc engines were adapted to the Mustang from the truck world. As Ford put more and more money into the Mustang it became more and more unique in the performance world.

Yes the EcoBoost is cheaper but it's roots are in a racing chassis designed by engineers with a world class 4 cylinder engine.

They're are good and a blast to drive.
 

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That may be true, but as long as the base chassis is quite capable, that's perfectly fine.
And do not forget, that the same applies for almost every car, so according to this argumentation, a Mercedes AMG C63 S with 510HP is just a variant of a diesel taxi (Mercedes C180d with 116HP).
But the issue is, the base chassis in the S550 ISN’T “quite capable”, and the Shelby does pretty much nothing to fix these shortcomings. With Mercedes and BMW and such, they actually change quite a bit with the chassis for the higher trim models... from unique rear quarters to chassis upgrades, hell Porsche just released a 911 GT3 that has double wishbone front suspension while the standard 911 has MacPherson strut. But ultimately, both Shelby’s still have MacPherson strut, both have the flawed S550 rear suspension geometry, both have the same heavy steel chassis, both have the same rear bodywork, both are still front-heavy as hell... there’s nothing “special” about them, they’re just a base model with some parts bolted on

These cars were designed from the ground up to be what it is: Ford's version of a sports/muscle car. Unique parts from the engine to the suspension.
Not necessarily... the platform is still D2C based, which was designed for the Mustang and a series of RWD sedans (which got cancelled once the recession hit), and was heavily based off previous sedan chassis. Hell, even the IRS on the S550 is based off the design of the Lincoln LS
 

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A badge with a snake doesn’t suddenly make it exotic-level “special”
Well, I do not think anyone would consider a Mustang an exotic but they have always been special. The fact that Ford can take a four banger rental car and turn it into a 760 HP monster with super car performance says it all. Add to that the fact they have been doing it continuously for 56 years. So while we are all bitching and moaning about strips we should remember and be grateful for what we have given.
 

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Well, I do not think anyone would consider a Mustang an exotic but they have always been special. The fact that Ford can take a four banger rental car and turn it into a 760 HP monster with super car performance says it all. Add to that the fact they have been doing it continuously for 56 years. So while we are all bitching and moaning about strips we should remember and be grateful for what we have given.
People have been turning Civics into 700hp supercar beaters for years now. That doesn’t make it special
 

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Now you just arguing for the Jake of arguing. Bringing a Honda Civic into this conversation is pointless.
But what about these Civic's? I hear they've got Spoon engines. And three each of T66 Turbos, with NOS, and a Motec exhaust.

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Now you just arguing for the Jake of arguing. Bringing a Honda Civic into this conversation is pointless.
Not at all. It accentuates the point that a car that wasn’t special to begin with doesn't suddenly become special when you just bolt some parts onto it
 

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