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I'm not bashing anyone. I agree! I admitted my self I won't be tracking my car. For DDing 6 piston brembos, 460 HP, and MPPS4's are overkill but I don't care I want it just because I want it lol.
This. I want the PP w/ magneride but will never track or drag strip the car. I just want it to have it. Most action the car will see is gassing it on the highway between Houston/Austin/SA and a few of the flat back roads South Texas has to offer.
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Hard to get exterior shots on track when you're driving, so I don't have very many.

NJMP/Lightning, with the Optima people

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Mid-Ohio with some Camaro5 guys

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NJMP/Thunderbolt

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But I can get you thousands of pictures that look something like this one ↓↓↓ . . .

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You got the PP retro fitted on that thing?:D But nice photos none the less.:thumbsup:
 

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You got the PP retro fitted on that thing?:D But nice photos none the less.:thumbsup:
Thanks. It's kind of my own version of part of the PP, more than the PP in some respects, less in a couple others. It's been upgraded just a touch since the pictures were taken, and there's more durability and mods that are "track-duty" oriented yet to come.

The S550's GT PP (with slightly better shock/strut damping) is what I'd look for in a street driver that my wife would typically be driving. If that makes it a car for 30% (what I've been guessing Ford has been aiming it at), a toy for me would need to be a less-than-3%-er car. GT350-width or wider wheels and tires at least, just for starters.


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In what world are altimas or malibu's sports cars? :headbonk: I'm 300# and muscle cars are simply more roomy than a vette. U must have misunderstood me. Kinda thought my skinny guy comment alluded to size not height.

Also I said that people looking for a vette are not cross shopping with mustangs, perhaps you should re read my post.
They aren't. I'm saying if you want a roomy vehicle, then a sports car isn't for you. Although I could argue that the challenger is pretty roomy.

And I was pointing out how the amount of room for the driver was practically the same for the Corvette vs Mustang. That's all. I couldn't care less about who cross shops what.
 

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the amount of room for the driver was practically the same for the Corvette vs Mustang.
No. My buddy has a C7 and I've gotten out of his car and into mine, and vice versa, plenty of times. You can't put the seat as far back in the C7 and it definitely feels more cramped, although that's mostly psychological. The seats are also harder.

On the passenger side, the story gets way worse.

That's not to say I don't personally like the C7. I fit in it fine, I find the seats comfortable and I prefer a seating position where my knees damn near hit the dash.

I will say that the Challengers are exceptionally comfy and roomy from my perspective. I could road trip a Hellcat for hours on end. Some disagree, but I really like the seating position and everything - especially like how much adjustment range there is in the telescoping wheel. :shrug:
 
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They aren't. I'm saying if you want a roomy vehicle, then a sports car isn't for you. Although I could argue that the challenger is pretty roomy.

And I was pointing out how the amount of room for the driver was practically the same for the Corvette vs Mustang. That's all. I couldn't care less about who cross shops what.

The driver room is NOT practically the same. I cross shopped used C6's, new C7's, even Subaru FRZ's. I did not fit in the Corvettes, though on paper a C6 Grand Sport or older Z06 was my preference.
 

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They aren't. I'm saying if you want a roomy vehicle, then a sports car isn't for you. Although I could argue that the challenger is pretty roomy.

And I was pointing out how the amount of room for the driver was practically the same for the Corvette vs Mustang. That's all. I couldn't care less about who cross shops what.
I've had a c6 z06 and a 2013 mustang gt and the gt has way more room, unless you are big you just can't understand. I know the mfg specs and dimensions look similar but way different when sitting in them. A vetted is not comfy at all. A mustang is by comparison
 

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We do have a ton of canyons out here in CA. The one thing I don't want to regret is not getting the PP, what if a base car is still floaty?
EXACTLY! Me Thinks you "hit the nail on the head" with your concern the base GT may yet be "floaty" for the 18 model year. I test drove a 2015 automatic base GT and a 2015 automatic premium GT..both "felt...and by "felt", I mean Seat-of-The-Pants "feeling"...very "floaty" and "disconnected" with the driver and the road. Neither "felt" nimble, "buttoned-up" or quick to respond to driver's inputs, especially on corners and turn-ins. I also drove a 6 Speed Non-PP GT and a 2015 6 Speed PP GT. The non-PP GT felt, and I believe responded better, than either of the automatics...but, not on a completely other "level." The PP GT was actually pretty good...I still thought it was too "heavy" and could have been tuned/engineered to respond better to driver inputs on corners and turn-ins, BUT it was (in my opinion) noticeably better than either of the automatic 15 GT'S.

After my initial test drive, I waited about a month and went back to re-test drive the 15 premium automatic GT and the 15 PP GT; my results were the same (the dealer let me drive each of them for about 20 minutes each...by myself as well! I put $5.00 of gas in them and took them out of town (smallish town of 7K people) and had a nice...but NOT in any way abusive toward the cars...test drive)...I felt the automatic drove like a "boat" and was just too "cumbersome" and while the 15 PP GT was, as I said, noticeably better, I just didn't want a 6 speed for my daily driver.

So now, here we are in the year of Our Lord 2018...and OUILA', Ford finally offers the PP on the automatic transmission version of the GT...but, they want $1K more for what, according to the specifications their build website, is the SAME PP offered from 2015 - 2017. I said, and told myself, I would not buy a mustang without the PP...and I won't. Perhaps I just didn't know that in order to keep this promise...and both of my arms and legs!...I will be buying a mustang with the PP and four less cylinders than I imagined.

I understand Ford is a company and in business to make mucho dinero...but, damn...if the PP is going to go up in price by a $1K, at least make it better...and I know it will have the Michelin tires, vice the Pirelli's? of the last
PP iteration. If this is the only significant improvement, the tires in and of themselves, in my humble opinion, don't merit a $1K price increase. Hopefully, Ford has stiffened up and improved the suspension and "feeling" of the non PP GT...it would be nice if they would address this topic and let their potential buying consumers know!!!:headbang::clap2:
 
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So now, here we are in the year of Our Lord 2018...and OUILA', Ford finally offers the PP on the automatic transmission version of the GT...but, they want $1K more for what, according to the specifications their build website, is the SAME PP offered from 2015 - 2017.
Don't forget the MUCH better tires and the spoiler. Not saying I think the price is decent, just say'n.
 

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We do have a ton of canyons out here in CA. The one thing I don't want to regret is not getting the PP, what if a base car is still floaty?
Don't forget the MUCH better tires and the spoiler. Not saying I think the price is decent, just say'n.
True, I made mention of the tires in my last paragraph of the post...but, I did forget about the spoiler. And I understand what you, as well as others, are saying...to which I agree. I think Ford is "overcharging" for the PP for the 2018 GT...but, there is precious little any of us may do about it!
 

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Interesting.. Whats the total if home brewing your own PP?
GT350 radiator $500
Track Pack suspension $1100
Torsen $1300?
Brembos $1300
Rear wing $500?
$4700 ish total...
But you dont get the PP EPAS, AT, ABS tuning unless you reflash and their might be some suspension bushing differences.

The Manual or Auto PP is looking like a very fair deal with xplan+$2500 off.

The Manual or Auto PP with magride, perf exhaust is very tempting but I think pushes price way up..

EDIT Build and Price is down currently..
http://shop.ford.com/build/mustang/2018/?intcmp=vhp-bbatt#/select/

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Indeed, that's not how packages work. You can't just add up the freestanding options and say 'this is how much the package will cost'. Just look at the Camaro's build and price tool for example.

2018 1SS with the 6 piston front brakes, magnetic ride control and performance exhaust options is ringing up to $43,760. For comparison, a 1SS with the 1LE package is $44,495 which includes those three options plus different springs, rear 4 piston brembos, eLSD, Recaros, 20' forged wheels, Eagle F1 SuperCar tires, HUD, wrapped hood. All that for $735 more. So yeah, that's not how it works.

Also, $1,595 is for the leather recaros. I think the cloth ones were a little cheaper.

Sure, Ford can slap whatever price they want on the PP2. At $46k+, I am out.:crazy:
Big difference is the 6 piston isn't a option, but a LPO. So you buy the 6 piston and you keep the Brembo 4 piston that came with car. So it's not apples to apples. All packages are just swaps of one part for another part.
 

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Interesting.. Whats the total if home brewing your own PP?
GT350 radiator $500
Track Pack suspension $1100
Torsen $1300?
Brembos $1300
Rear wing $500?
$4700 ish total...
But you dont get the PP EPAS, AT, ABS tuning unless you reflash and their might be some suspension bushing differences.

The Manual or Auto PP is looking like a very fair deal with xplan+$2500 off.

The Manual or Auto PP with magride, perf exhaust is very tempting but I think pushes price way up..

EDIT Build and Price is down currently..
http://shop.ford.com/build/mustang/2018/?intcmp=vhp-bbatt#/select/

**EDIT, if its down for you try this one instead:
http://shop.ford.com/build/mustang/2018/?intcmp=vhp-bbatt#/select/
That pricing is not a valid comparison because Ford doesn't have to pay for the take-off parts. My guess is the price difference (to Ford) between stock components and PP components is somewhere between zero and maybe $20. The PP radiator (FR3Z8005B) is less than $200 on RockAuto. Ford is saving you the trouble of trying to figure out what to do with take-offs, but there is no way it is costing them much more.

The only explanation for the 2018 price jump

Giant wing - $1000

edit - to clarify, not $20 total, per component. Brembos and the diff probably being the more.
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