I could post the same question about data to you. What makes you so sure about the inferior performance of the GTPP? I'm going by what Ford has said -- that the base GT is now supposed to handle as well and be as stiff as the outgoing GTPP.
Given its numbers, I've been saying this for awhile. The GT350 was the track car that Ford sells. It certainly wasn't for the acceleration or bragging rights in huge numbers. I believe that void in the Ford lineup will be filled with the next GT500. IMO of car enthusiasts, in the end, they care more about the acceleration and look of their car over its trackability.
Keep in mind, however, that this mid cycle refresh is a pretty aggressive one, IMO. A noticeable bump in power, mag ride, active exhaust, even the base PP suspension is said to be a big step up from the 15-17s. Yes the price went up, and that sucks, but the S550 was never "faster" than the Camaro. Even the outgoing 5th gen was a match for it.
Exactly. It's not as if Ford still buys P-zeros and takes them off and throws them away. Same for the springs/sway bars etc. I would be surprised if the parts bin difference between base and PP parts is more than $500. I think people rightfully feel like they are being bent over.
I have no data, which is why I prefaced my post with "pure speculation"... unlike you.
We will see when reviewers get their hands on them, but my guess is that we will see near equal performance at a higher price. My guess is a base GT is going to lose to a 1SS, but a PP will beat a 1SS, and to match a 1LE you are going to need magnaride which also buys you the PP+301A minimum which is going to cost more.
This is really my only hope for redemption in the current pricing. That is for PP2 to be a direct 1LE competitor, bundling PP+magnaride and maybe some interior improvements (maybe the only way to get cloth recarros?). Maybe (one can hope) that bundled it would be cheaper than ala carte. The only issue with that "hope" is that it would seem to make the stand alone magnaride option kind of pointless.
Weight difference? As tested at C&D is 3747. I weighed my base GT PP at 3760lbs. Even the loaded cars are only about 100lbs more than the 1LE. The weight savings is vastly overblown between the 6th gen and s550.
I predict the PP2 car will be between the SS and the 1LE in terms of performance. I don't care about the base or PP1 cars, honestly.
In my ideal world, the PP2 would be a base GT w/ a tweaked PP suspension, larger rubber, rear brembo's, magneride, recaros, select exhaust, rear seat delete, and a revised tune / GT350 intake/TB.
What a coincidence. That sounds really familiar... Guess that's how hierarchies work huh? GT350 hamstringing the GT. GT hamstringing the Ecoboost. Yep.
As a GT350 owner I don't care a whole lot that the new GT automatic will be faster 0-60 than my car. I already have resigned myself to the fact that my car wasn't designed for quick 0-60. I was hoping for the new GT to make at least 480 hp. I don't think Ford is holding back for the GT350. I think they are just doing what they think they need to do to sell the Mustang. I think if Ford was holding back they wouldn't have made the new GT automatic so quick 0-60.
I think you're probably right, but more as a percentage of GT350 buyers wanted the car to take to the road course. It's really good there. Not that a regular Mustang or GT isn't plenty of fun as well.
