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I know it'sounds a bit late in the thread, but I would prefer they spend another year in development and release the refresh in MY2019 with more substantial improvements and more performance options.
If development's on schedule, they won't require any more time. Besides, even if we see the '18MY at LA later this year or Detroit in January, chances are Ford won't release full performance details at the same time. We'll likely need to wait until just before the car goes on sale (Summer 2017?) for those stats. So, Ford still have the best part of 9 months to continue that development.
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If development's on schedule, they won't require any more time. Besides, even if we see the '18MY at LA later this year or Detroit in January, chances are Ford won't release full performance details at the same time. We'll likely need to wait until just before the car goes on sale (Summer 2017?) for those stats. So, Ford still have the best part of 9 months to continue that development.
I just hope that development includes direct injection (with 10% torque increase) and a 7 speed tremec MT option. Everything else is just gravy to me.
 

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Now that the Camaro been on sale for around a year and it's well behind the Mustang in sales, Ford is in no rush to make significant changes to the 2018 Mustang. I think in 2018, Ford will introduce the 10 speed auto, maybe a modest increase in horsepower, light cosmetic changes and a specialty Mustang such as the GT500 or Mach 1.
 
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Truthfully I am happy with the current platform. 435 HP is streetable and their are many options if you need to increase that number.

With electric cars doing 0-60 in 2.5 seconds and EPA increasing standards, I believe the days are few to purchase muscle cars of today. . .
 

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Honestly I think for me about 470 HP is plenty. It sounds nice to have 700+ HP but for what to gun it once a week safely for 4 seconds at a time?

[MENTION=26199]Bcart50[/MENTION] look all the way back to one of my posts like on page 12 where they talk about DI and plasma spray bore technology being added to the 5.0. Usually when other companies have gone port injection to direct injection it's good for 20-30 HP and torque bump. Yea you can get there with the after market but maybe the updated 5.0 will have a higher ceiling with the aftermarket.
DI gains depend upon the engine size and type. That said, the application of direct injection usually increases power 8-10% and torque 14-16%. For a coyote having the same specs as today, but with DI, I would expect peak gains of 35hp/60lbft at the flywheel, with 40 lbft of that torque available at 2000 rpm.
 

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The car is enormous - supercar big, that's why it's heavy, as most big cars are. It could be physically much smaller, which would reduce weight and increase performance without touching hp or requiring exotic (read: expensive) materials. But to do that is a complete redesign - ain't happening with a refresh. To be worthwhile it needs to come down at least 200lbs, preferably 3.

I'm surprised how obsessed this board seems to be with absolute hp figures.
I, for one, like the size of this car. The new Camaro is smaller, and less usable as a daily driver. The Mustang still has a usable trunk. The rear seats are big enough for my son, or for smaller adults in a pinch.

I can fit my DJ gear in the car on the occasion that my wife's car is unavailable.

Most importantly, I can see out of the damn thing. Even the older Camaro sucked in that regard.

A smaller car might be faster, but it comprises its usability as an everyday street car, too. I wanted a fun and fast car as a daily, with just enough practicality to get by on.
 

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I, for one, like the size of this car. The new Camaro is smaller, and less usable as a daily driver. The Mustang still has a usable trunk. The rear seats are big enough for my son, or for smaller adults in a pinch.

I can fit my DJ gear in the car on the occasion that my wife's car is unavailable.

Most importantly, I can see out of the damn thing. Even the older Camaro sucked in that regard.

A smaller car might be faster, but it comprises its usability as an everyday street car, too. I wanted a fun and fast car as a daily, with just enough practicality to get by on.
I also like the size of the current model. I can pick my (3) kids up from elementary school on the regular, and fit their booster seats in the trunk when I don't have them; along with a recurve bow, disc gold bag, climbing gear, and a full load of groceries if need be.
 

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I also like the size of the current model. I can pick my (3) kids up from elementary school on the regular, and fit their booster seats in the trunk when I don't have them; along with a recurve bow, disc gold bag, climbing gear, and a full load of groceries if need be.
Yeah, I do agree the current size is appropriate. This is a pony/muscle car and only the increase in performance has people calling it a sports car, rightfully so as they do perform very well. I think with the advances they are making, we are getting a bit spoiled and just want more and more. Nothing wrong with wanting more, but the Camaro I think has shown us the limits. Seems we are now at the line where increasing performance by getting smaller just requires too many sacrifices for those that need a more livable DD.

A nice little power bump on the refresh and maybe an improved PP type package is all this car really needs to step the performance up even further. Even without that, it is great the way it is! The package price is perfect, and I don't want to wish for too much and suffer a drastic price increase because of it. There is a GT350 after all for those that just want more performace.
 

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I really hope the ability to pick up a litter of children is the last thing on Fords mind when designing the car.
If they want to sell the car, it needs to stay on their mind. With all of the safety and structural rigidity required, you aren't making this car any smaller without sacrificing interior space. The fact that my teenage kids fit in the vehicle along with a shopping load from Costco is a major reason I chose this over the Camaro.

If I wanted a 2-seater, I would buy a Corvette.
 

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The unfortunate side to the MY18 car is that I guarantee it will be more expensive. You'll gain all this new fancy tech, and also a larger price tag. Making it a harder pill to swallow.
 

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I really hope the ability to pick up a litter of children is the last thing on Fords mind when designing the car.
On the contrary, I like that this car has a certain bare minimum of practicality. Not much. I agree this isn't a top priority at all. But a little bit of afterthought here is good. If this were a two seater (and given the Camaro's dimensions, it's a de facto two seater), it wouldn't work for me.

I remember some guy saying that he was trading in his Mustang because his wife was pregnant. I'm like why? My son fits fine in the back, and the whole family fits in a pinch. My wife's car is the family hauler, but my car can serve when necessary, and that's a big positive.

It doesn't need to be a big deal, though. The Challenger is TOO big. Too much emphasis on this. The Camaro is too small, too little emphasis on usability. The Mustang strikes just the right balance for me. And I highly doubt I'm the only one who feels that way about it.
 

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I think opinions on size are understood at this point.

On a different note, does anyone know what the stroke limitations of the coyote are? I guess I'm just curious, but I was wondering whether we could see the possibility of a 5.4L stroked voodoo with cpc and DI for a Mach 1 variant. With the added displacement and DI, using a current GT intake manifold, it would be good for 505hp/485lbft.
 

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Agreed! There's a market of mid-size, full-size SUVs as well as mini-vans that will carry kids around with room to spare. My two kids are young adults - they will not fit comfortably in the back - but it's no biggie as I didn't purchase the car with intentions on carrying passengers in the back. The only thing I wish Ford would change with this model is to lighten it up a bit...
I really hope the ability to pick up a litter of children is the last thing on Fords mind when designing the car.
 

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If I had kids, I'd have an EcoBoost V6 Flex.

The Mustang doesn't need to cater to regular rear seat passengers, it never really has.....
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