2018 GT350 CONFIRMED

[Twin Turbo]

Do we know for sure these 2 cars do NOT use the FPC 5.2?

Yes....I've see it confirmed by those that built the cars

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[_M_]

True, I can see it going both ways. Sales of the S550 have already tailed off ,such that they need the refresh to boost sales. Or vice versa, the over-all market is trending down, so no use in investing in the refresh now when sales are going to be down regardless of which lipstick the pig is wearing.

The market trending down is more likely the case. I believe GM is already putting some plants on hold. And not necessarily the whole market, but a shift in buyers preference towards other types of vehicles.

I have two cousins in the automotive supplier world. One does carpeting and the other engineers engines parts. Both have seen decreases in orders from the big 3.

 

[likeaboss]

The market trending down is more likely the case. I believe GM is already putting some plants on hold. And not necessarily the whole market, but a shift in buyers preference towards other types of vehicles.

I have two cousins in the automotive supplier world. One does carpeting and the other engineers engines parts. Both have seen decreases in orders from the big 3.

That's correct because in general the new car market is oversupplied at the moment. Sure, some models like the GT350 still have strong demand but overall the expectation is the sell less new cars overall in CY2017.

 

[Voodooo]

Do we know for sure these 2 cars do NOT use the FPC 5.2? I was wondering that and googled it. Seen conflicting info, but most suggest FPC. I wondered if they switched to the CPC 5.2, that this might be the UAW contract Voodoo "update". If they, in fact, switched to CPC, then they would be keeping their word that no other vehicle got the FPC and they could drop the GT350 due to homologation requirements to be based on an available production car. :shrug:

Both are using CPC 5.2

 

[krt22]

Those are race cars with race motors that put out more power than the current voodoo, I wouldnt say that says anything bad about the voodoo itself. All that says is perhaps the extra work to make the FPC work didn't make sense in a hard core race application.

 

[Voodooo]

Those are race cars with race motors that put out more power than the current voodoo, I wouldnt say that says anything bad about the voodoo itself. All that says is perhaps the extra work to make the FPC work didn't make sense in a hard core race application.

HOW great it would be if ford used the voodoo FPC in the GT4 and FR350S!! I for one wish they did, it would add to the dominance and prove to the world and Ferrari that they did it. Not to mention it would help the aftermarket growth. Do you really think it took a FPC to win against the Z28? I myself know even if the 5.2 voodoo had a CPC it still would of beat the Z28 and other cars. The complete car is that good. The FPC didn't win races, the car did!
You can think that but you also said the voodoo is "snarling fast" I'm not disagreeing that the voodoo is special. But no crank shaft is going to win a race alone. The FPC isn't a miracle worker, without advancements it'll be passed up in no time. For a smaller displacement engine to make power it needs rpm, fords already tapped out the voodoo. Its competing against a 6.2/6.4/7.0 all with just 5.2L NA. Ford didn't leave much if any room for improvements on the voodoo. Their not going to increase compression, they are not going to improve on the cams intake or heads, more cubic inches is out of the question. A revised tune could be done but I don't see that happening either. They have no place to remove weight from the chassis unless they go with an aluminum IRS cradle and K-member and carbon ceramic brakes. All things that will not happen. The only option they could possibly do is as I already said, a better transmission. You might be happy with the current car, but is a non biased buyer wants a fast car for the cheap, they have a Camaro. I hate saying this because I've never owned anything besides fords my whole 45 years of life and I'd never trade for anything. But others will. Numbers sell (hp-tq-$$) Fords already dropped the ball if you ask me. Another year late on the GT500. 2017 should be the last year for the GT350. That's all I'm saying.

Ps. The current voodoo makes 526/429
The 5.2 A52XS crate motor makes 582/442 with the same cubic inches, same compression, same heads, same cam profiles and lifts/durations on a CPC firing order. With a cobra jet intake and dual bore throttle body. You can say the cobra jet intake and long tube headers along with 101 octane fuel made the 56 hp difference and I'd agree. But my point is the FPC isn't much more then sound. In the 60s on the GT-40's ford could of used a FPC instead of the bundle of snakes headers but they didn't. The exhaust scavenging on the 5.0-5.2 is way way better then anything ford ever had before in the past.

 

[krt22]

The FPC would have been largely irrelevant the IMSA series win you are talking about since the motor was already governed.

I agree for many, numbers sell, there will always be magazine racers talking about their cars at the water cooler. There is also a large subsection of the market developing that the numbers are less important and the feel/sound/driving experience become paramount. Given how much performance you get these days, inching out incremental gains for the sake of it don't mean as much as they used you. When you have multiple 40-60k cars that can take down super cars that are just a few years old, then the numbers start to matter less for some. I am one of those people, I don't give two shits about the ZL1 if it means those numbers are aided by a 10spd auto and a super charger.

That was my only point, you said the 2018s will sit on lots because they aren't improved, in my opinion there are still plenty of buyers out there that are still game mainly due to uniqueness of the car, even if it means they cant win the latest bench race.

 

[Voodooo]

The FPC would have been largely irrelevant the IMSA series win you are talking about since the motor was already governed.

I agree for many, numbers sell, there will always be magazine racers talking about their cars at the water cooler. There is also a large subsection of the market developing that the numbers are less important and the feel/sound/driving experience become paramount. Given how much performance you get these days, inching out incremental gains for the sake of it don't mean as much as they used you. When you have multiple 40-60k cars that can take down super cars that are just a few years old, then the numbers start to matter less for some. I am one of those people, I don't give two shits about the ZL1 if it means those numbers are aided by a 10spd auto and a super charger.

That was my only point, you said the 2018s will sit on lots because they aren't improved, in my opinion there are still plenty of buyers out there that are still game mainly due to uniqueness of the car, even if it means they cant win the latest bench race.

1) you proven my point. The FPC did not win a race.
2) I never said 2018s will sit on the lot.
3) I have absolutely no interest in a vehicle with a power adder at all. That's my point as to why I have a goal of building a 700 crank hp NA voodoo and possibly mate it to a 6 speed sequential trans.
If I cared about what car has the most hp I wouldn't be loyal and buy a ford, I'd buy a hellcat or a 2014 GT500.
4) if ford made improvements to the 2018 GT350 I'd be happier. Because as I said, before you know it (it's happening now) they are falling behind.

 

[krt22]

I never said the FPC had anything to do with winning races lol. I didn't prove any point of yours

 

[Voodooo]

I never said the FPC had anything to do with winning races lol. I didn't prove any point of yours

Agreed, but you did say it was governed. Therefore Even a cpc would of had the same results. But in all honesty the FPC is a sales pitch. And a good one at that.

 

[krt22]

Yes it is a good pitch but it also has a tangible allure. There is a reason old Ferrari FPC V8s are now appreciating.

 

[Voodooo]

Lol.
I'm just saying, ford needs to step it up. Not with just the gt350/500 but with also the GT 5.0

 

[TRAC WPN]

Agreed, but you did say it was governed. Therefore Even a cpc would of had the same results. But in all honesty the FPC is a sales pitch. And a good one at that.

So with the FPC not making any more power than CPC, does the FPC make your driving or owning experience better/more interesting? It does for me, sales pitch or not, I would not trade it for a CPC even if it opened possibility for more hp.

 

[cjgt350]

Whatever happened to Ford Performance coming out with throttle bodies for the Voodoo? If not FP then what about aftermarket? It would seem with proper tuning there is some meaningful potential gains.

 

[Tomster]

Good god. Would Ford just announce the damn thing and put this thread to rest?

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