2015 GT Clutch burnt

[paul123]

... I can say this is my first and last ford EVER. This forum is littered with lack of service issues.

why do I have the feeling that car manufacturers would prefer that all car buyers go for an Auto. The modern Auto is hard to mess up, outside of towing and over-heating it.

For those that want V8 / manual at a reasonable price, there isn't much choice. You have Camaro and Challenger. Both with Tremec, and priced accordingly.

The big issue I see here is that when there is a problem, cars can easily get stuck in warranty repair for an extended period of time. It's hard to imagine an independent mechanic messing around for weeks. He wouldn't be in business for long.

Whether Chevy and Dodge have faster warranty repair and better supply chains would make an interesting investigation.

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[FordTechOne]

"I can say this is my first and last ford EVER. This forum is littered with lack of service issues."

I agree with this 100% I am pretty unimpressed with this car so far. My clutch went bad, breaks squeal, thin chipping paint, interior rattles and creeks, leather looks worn like I'm either 500 lbs or I just get in and out of it 300 times a day.

Dealership gave me no issues on the clutch, but hee-hawed around with the brakes and claimed they couldnt hear the dash rattles. I wish I woud have refused the car when the dickbags screwed the front plate through the bumper! TWICE !! Once with the holder and once again with some 3" screws to hold the plate to the holder.

It's funny how only certain people seem to have these problems, and then they blame the car for ALL of them. It's never normal wear and tear, and it's never their fault.

My colleague has a 2015 GT PP with 10,000 miles on it. That's 10,000 miles since March 2015, he drives a LOT. Funny how he has no issues with "seat wear", no rattles or squeaks, no clutch issues (he knows how to drive a manual transmission properly), and the "thin" paint hasn't chipped anywhere. Stone chips in your paint isn't the fault of the manufacturer or the vehicle's paint, its the result of damage cause by road debris. That will happen to ANY vehicle.

An intermittent brake (its BRAKE, not break) squeak is NORMAL, it's caused by humidity, moisture, debris on the rotors, etc. Normal brake squeaks only occur when the brakes are cold, or in wet/humid conditions. If you have the GT (non PP) and the brakes squeak consistently, a TSB was released to resolve the issue. Just take it to a dealer and have them take care of it. If the dealer treats you poorly, go to a different one. Dealers are franchises, each one is unique.

 

[paul123]

"I can say this is my first and last ford EVER. This forum is littered with lack of service issues."

I agree with this 100% I am pretty unimpressed with this car so far. My clutch went bad, breaks squeal, thin chipping paint, interior rattles and creeks, leather looks worn like I'm either 500 lbs or I just get in and out of it 300 times a day.

Dealership gave me no issues on the clutch, but hee-hawed around with the brakes and claimed they couldnt hear the dash rattles. I wish I woud have refused the car when the dickbags screwed the front plate through the bumper! TWICE !! Once with the holder and once again with some 3" screws to hold the plate to the holder.

dunno about the clutch, but I would probably just go aftermarket racing clutch if mine develops a problem.

when I was shopping used cars, I measured a number of cars with a paint meter, and all cars generally have the same paint thickness. Except ones that have been in an accident. Those often have extra thick paint on the affected areas.

I don't know why brakes squeal. Maybe they glazed? You could have a mechanic pull the pads and see if they look normal. Shouldn't take long. My brakes are silent.

when I bought my car, the salesman was sensitive to the front plate issue, and gave me the mounting kit and said either mount it, or don't, along with another way to mount it that didn't involve screws. In this case, its sounds like an employee training problem, and his manager should offer you some sort of remedy to make it better. And if not, that's what yelp is for.

 

[Iceman2733]

It's funny how only certain people seem to have these problems, and then they blame the car for ALL of them. It's never normal wear and tear, and it's never their fault.



My colleague has a 2015 GT PP with 10,000 miles on it. That's 10,000 miles since March 2015, he drives a LOT. Funny how he has no issues with "seat wear", no rattles or squeaks, no clutch issues (he knows how to drive a manual transmission properly), and the "thin" paint hasn't chipped anywhere. Stone chips in your paint isn't the fault of the manufacturer or the vehicle's paint, its the result of damage cause by road debris. That will happen to ANY vehicle.



An intermittent brake (its BRAKE, not break) squeak is NORMAL, it's caused by humidity, moisture, debris on the rotors, etc. Normal brake squeaks only occur when the brakes are cold, or in wet/humid conditions. If you have the GT (non PP) and the brakes squeak consistently, a TSB was released to resolve the issue. Just take it to a dealer and have them take care of it. If the dealer treats you poorly, go to a different one. Dealers are franchises, each one is unique.

Nice for the useless post..... We are happy your coworker doesn't have problems. I think u should do a quick search on here and see how many people have had failed clutches... Than figure out this is just the people on this small forum. Since I don't know how to drive I will leave you with pics of my clutch at 3200 miles. Never owned an auto in my life but I don't know how to drive.

Please notice the abnormal marks on one side of the pressure plate. Also notice the chatter marks on the flywheel. Yep it is all driver error and not the horrible hardware ford is putting into this these cars.
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[TrevorGT]

It's funny how only certain people seem to have these problems, and then they blame the car for ALL of them. It's never normal wear and tear, and it's never their fault.

My colleague has a 2015 GT PP with 10,000 miles on it. That's 10,000 miles since March 2015, he drives a LOT. Funny how he has no issues with "seat wear", no rattles or squeaks, no clutch issues (he knows how to drive a manual transmission properly), and the "thin" paint hasn't chipped anywhere. Stone chips in your paint isn't the fault of the manufacturer or the vehicle's paint, its the result of damage cause by road debris. That will happen to ANY vehicle.

An intermittent brake (its BRAKE, not break) squeak is NORMAL, it's caused by humidity, moisture, debris on the rotors, etc. Normal brake squeaks only occur when the brakes are cold, or in wet/humid conditions. If you have the GT (non PP) and the brakes squeak consistently, a TSB was released to resolve the issue. Just take it to a dealer and have them take care of it. If the dealer treats you poorly, go to a different one. Dealers are franchises, each one is unique.

My car lost it's clutch with less than 300 miles on it. I blame "test drives" fo my failure. I've been driving manuals for 20+ years now. You can rule out riding, snubbing, dumping.....the clutch.

I do think the paint chips too easly. I've got 3 sports cars and 2 daily drivers that are chip free. This is also the only one with a bunch of dirt and fish eyes in the paint.

I understand what you mean about the dealer. I mentioned the "BRAKE" tsb and the light switch rattle tsb, but they said they couldnt duplicate it. I'm not sure how they didn't hear the semi truck stop in the service bay! I'll leave it at that. Different dealer fixed both.

As far as the leather goes, mine looks loose and saggy. I've owned the car for almost 6 months now and it has approx. 900 miles on it. I roughly drive my sports cars 2000mi per year. Some less. BTW, I'm 6'-2'' and 190lbs. There have also been others on the forum with leather issues.

It seems the quality of these cars is really hit or miss. Don't care what you say about that. I sold my 2002 WS-6 Trans Am and bought this car. The 02 had 30k miles on it and NEVER saw the dealership. No issues ever. No chips or paint defects either.

I haven't decided if I'll keep it or not. I'm not worried about the hit I'll take selling or trading. I drove the challengers and Camaros before buying the Stang, and this was the car I liked the most. I just didnt think it would have this many problems. Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the seats don't cool and rear defrost doesnt work either.:doh:

FordTechOne Do you even have a 15 or 16 Mustang? I see you have an 04 Cobra. Nice car BTW.

 

[Malkionx]

why do I have the feeling that car manufacturers would prefer that all car buyers go for an Auto. The modern Auto is hard to mess up, outside of towing and over-heating it.

For those that want V8 / manual at a reasonable price, there isn't much choice. You have Camaro and Challenger. Both with Tremec, and priced accordingly.

The big issue I see here is that when there is a problem, cars can easily get stuck in warranty repair for an extended period of time. It's hard to imagine an independent mechanic messing around for weeks. He wouldn't be in business for long.

Whether Chevy and Dodge have faster warranty repair and better supply chains would make an interesting investigation.

I work at a Chevy dealership and can tell you that when it comes to transmission work, its a *crap* show everywhere, techs hate the position and parts are a pain to come in, we have a problem with camaro v8 clutches chattering badly when creeping in first gear. And the procedure explains basically tell the customer deal with it. For one customer we did 7 clutch changes.

 

[FordTechOne]

Nice for the useless post..... We are happy your coworker doesn't have problems. I think u should do a quick search on here and see how many people have had failed clutches... Than figure out this is just the people on this small forum. Since I don't know how to drive I will leave you with pics of my clutch at 3200 miles. Never owned an auto in my life but I don't know how to drive.

Please notice the abnormal marks on one side of the pressure plate. Also notice the chatter marks on the flywheel. Yep it is all driver error and not the horrible hardware ford is putting into this these cars.
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Of course people are going to report clutch failure. There are a lot of people who buy a new car and can't drive a manual transmission vehicle properly. There are also people who abuse their clutches, that's the nature of high performance vehicles.

From the pictures, it appears your car had a defective pressure plate. Not a common issue, nut nonetheless you obviously experienced it. Did your dealer take care of the issue under warranty I hope? As you said, based on the chatter marks, it's obviously not driver induced. That's a unique failure, and hugely different from the people who drive into the dealer with a massive clump of clutch material hanging out of the bellhousing with obvious signs of overheat and abuse.

 

[Iceman2733]

Of course people are going to report clutch failure. There are a lot of people who buy a new car and can't drive a manual transmission vehicle properly. There are also people who abuse their clutches, that's the nature of high performance vehicles.



From the pictures, it appears your car had a defective pressure plate. Not a common issue, nut nonetheless you obviously experienced it. Did your dealer take care of the issue under warranty I hope? As you said, based on the chatter marks, it's obviously not driver induced. That's a unique failure, and hugely different from the people who drive into the dealer with a massive clump of clutch material hanging out of the bellhousing with obvious signs of overheat and abuse.

No good sir the dealer and the ford rep failed horrible. The dealer refused warranty due to my vehicle having a Corsa Xtreme exhaust. I argued to the best of my ability about the roush vehicles running factory clutches with Stage 3 cars. After many hours or pain talking to these people I bought and put in an RXT clutch. My friend locally had one that had the friction disc come apart at under 1k miles. The car was extremely babied to the point I joked he ruined his motor lol. He showed no signs of heat on flywheel or pressure plate. Just scrapping from the friction disc separating. Odd for sure


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[paul123]

No good sir the dealer and the ford rep failed horrible. The dealer refused warranty due to my vehicle having a Corsa Xtreme exhaust. I argued to the best of my ability about the roush vehicles running factory clutches with Stage 3 cars. After many hours or pain talking to these people I bought and put in an RXT clutch. My friend locally had one that had the friction disc come apart at under 1k miles. The car was extremely babied to the point I joked he ruined his motor lol. He showed no signs of heat on flywheel or pressure plate. Just scrapping from the friction disc separating. Odd for sure

this is a drag, but I wouldn't get too worked up if it happened to me. One, negotiating warranty repair of a clutch failure is in the gray zone of people skills. Two, the car market is moving to auto transmissions, so I view higher rates of these sort of failures as the cost of doing business. Three, we have nice options in the aftermarket, racing clutches / Tremec high torque. Now if my Coyote has difficulty crossing 100k miles, I will have to re-think things. Assuming it stays naturally aspirated with stock tune.

 

[FordTechOne]

My car lost it's clutch with less than 300 miles on it. I blame "test drives" fo my failure. I've been driving manuals for 20+ years now. You can rule out riding, snubbing, dumping.....the clutch.

Fair enough. If your clutch got trashed during test drives (common problem on high performance cars) then that's certainly not your fault.

I do think the paint chips too easly. I've got 3 sports cars and 2 daily drivers that are chip free. This is also the only one with a bunch of dirt and fish eyes in the paint.

As was mentioned, almost all new vehicles use the same paint thickness and same paint application processes. If the paint chipped, it was damaged. Not defective.

I understand what you mean about the dealer. I mentioned the "BRAKE" tsb and the light switch rattle tsb, but they said they couldnt duplicate it. I'm not sure how they didn't hear the semi truck stop in the service bay! I'll leave it at that. Different dealer fixed both.

As far as the leather goes, mine looks loose and saggy. I've owned the car for almost 6 months now and it has approx. 900 miles on it. I roughly drive my sports cars 2000mi per year. Some less. BTW, I'm 6'-2'' and 190lbs. There have also been others on the forum with leather issues.

It seems the quality of these cars is really hit or miss. Don't care what you say about that. I sold my 2002 WS-6 Trans Am and bought this car. The 02 had 30k miles on it and NEVER saw the dealership. No issues ever. No chips or paint defects either.

I haven't decided if I'll keep it or not. I'm not worried about the hit I'll take selling or trading. I drove the challengers and Camaros before buying the Stang, and this was the car I liked the most. I just didnt think it would have this many problems. Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the seats don't cool and rear defrost doesnt work either.:doh:

FordTechOne Do you even have a 15 or 16 Mustang? I see you have an 04 Cobra. Nice car BTW.

Thanks. No, I don't own an S550, but I have driven plenty and work with people who own them. I love my car, but the improvements in quality and interior design of the newer models is impossible to ignore. I owned an LS1 Trans Am myself, it was one of the best cars I ever owned; I had a lot of fun modding that car too.

Did you see the TSB for the cooled seat performance issue? The dealer will replace the seat backrest blower fan with a new design to improve the cooled seat functionality.

 

[Socalmustang]

They refused to warranty it because of your Corsa Xtreme exhaust, how would a catback have any type of effect on the clutch?? lol

 

[Chameleon]

They refused to warranty it because of your Corsa Xtreme exhaust, how would a catback have any type of effect on the clutch?? lol

Nothing. Just an excuse to save $. lol

 

[Iceman2733]

They refused to warranty it because of your Corsa Xtreme exhaust, how would a catback have any type of effect on the clutch?? lol

Yes sir said I altered the vehicle from OEM and it is making more power. This is after the fact a user on her pointed out that the roush stage 3 cars at 600ish Hp use the factory clutch with there cars. I gave up after call and call it was just more BS ford doesn't care about its customers plain and simple. As I stated before this will be my last ford ever and i told them that and there response sorry to hear that. They didn't even wanna make this right just a right off to save $$ as already wrote down or as I think it was a way for the dealership to make money. They didn't think I would tell them to remove the car from there service center and that I would install the clutch myself. Lol the faces were priceless lol


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[jasonstang]

Yes sir said I altered the vehicle from OEM and it is making more power. This is after the fact a user on her pointed out that the roush stage 3 cars at 600ish Hp use the factory clutch with there cars. I gave up after call and call it was just more BS ford doesn't care about its customers plain and simple. As I stated before this will be my last ford ever and i told them that and there response sorry to hear that. They didn't even wanna make this right just a right off to save $$ as already wrote down or as I think it was a way for the dealership to make money. They didn't think I would tell them to remove the car from there service center and that I would install the clutch myself. Lol the faces were priceless lol


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That is bs. Call Ford. Dealers will make up any excuses trying to get money out of your pocket.

 

[Ayabe]

This is terrible but echoes my experience thus far, escalating up the chain seems to go nowhere, you are contacted by a slightly higher paid customer support person who won't have all the information and cannot make decisions, trying to appeal further up the chain is met with a firm "No."

Sorry man.

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